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Originally Posted by Teppler
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You know whats amazing about philosophy. You can read their works and great philosophers logic and ideas hold up no matter what era you are in.
It's the height of arrogance to disregard the build up of what went into the development of political structure since the beginning of time. Our founding fathers took this into consideration and put safe guards in the form in inalienable rights and freedoms against tyrannical governments.
I pointed it out and someone else mentioned it to. When ever governments take away guns it's always accompanied by that nation not having things such as freedom of speech.
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See, you arguing that some abstract idea (that guns make society more
free*) is true. But you don't any actual evidence that is true. I offered actual historical cases of societies where the right of citizens to bare arms was implemented...in those societies...those same citizens participated in the tyrannical governments their supposed to defend against.
During Shay's rebellion, when a bunch of cowardly landlords stole property of U.S. Militia men that were fighting for the country -- the elites (like dear founding fathers) sided with the landlords of course, and used the central government to butcher those that rebelled with guns....this is how it always goes down which is why arming the population with small weapons never will or has defended against a tyrannical government.
The idea that the founding fathers possess any kind of timeless wisdom and that we should defer to them -- is a child-like argument. Who cares? They were there -- they were right some of the time wrong other times. There's little evidence they are why American won World War II and thus inherited super-power status...
It's like talking to people that actually believed high school history class (in the 80s/90s) and never delved deeper. Every empire is full of myths that aren't true. The founding fathers myths are our version of that.
Edit: here is what our founding fathers couldn't have really understood in their time....we were colonized people. And colonized people are better off armed when they rebel. Guns are useful to overthrow colonization...to this day that is true...they have never been useful fighting the natively-elected/legitimate government...just a foreign government.
*free from our own government's tyranny is how it is pitched exactly.