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Originally Posted by mickmoranis [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

But when crime is disproportionately perpetrated by black people, and black criminals dress exactly the same as black people, aka as a thug, and police have been using profiling to both protect themselves and us, as the central ability for them to investigate and stop crime for the last 100 years, what do you expect to happen?

Hear me out... I know your teeth are grinding at the perceived racism above.... It's not though.

The left has this ability to be like, "well I think racism is real so cops must only operate because of institutional racism"

No, they operate the way they do around black people, because of STATISTICS, and they use those statistics to police. Then someone finds out that they do that, and they think its institutional racism.

The number of institutional racism vs regular profiling is drastically less than. its just modern libs cant tell the difference and think what they read on buzzfeed is the truth.

If you think the science behind profiling is wrong, then watch Mindhunter on netflix and you'll see its how we use it to prevent murder very often.



They are treated worse in most contries that accept them, because they are immigrants and that right off the bat in racist europe is a mark against you, and also they are entitled and create nasty crime, which gives them a bad reputation, and oh what happens? The above, the police profile them, people missinterperate that to institutional racism, they cry that its not fair, they give up trying, because, WHY try when the institution is against you!

The spiral continues. Crime goes up, riots happen, more profiling, less hope yadda yadda etc etc.



There are solutions besides demanding some sort of change in the way other people operate.. like idk, stop acting like a victim and start taking responsibility for your own actions? The black community in america suffers from this very thing. They feel like there is no point in trying, because WE tell them the system is rigged against them. Why would you try when the whole system is rigged against you?!

Then what happens when a black person works on them self? THEY EXCEL they do wonderful, they fit RIGHT into society...

WHY?

Because america is NOT a racist country. The system isn't rigged against them. They are free and equal just like anyone else. That's why.

But they're conditioned to think they are second class citizens, by even the very minority groups that are trying to help them. The minority activist groups say that they're being screwed, so agian, why try?! Not until I get what I deserve!



Exactly like I said above, by telling a group of people that they are being screwed, when they are not, you discourage them actually working towards the goal that they hope to achieve, independence. You make them dependent on other people. The black communities in america, suffered GREATLY from this (not saying they didnt from a whole bunch of fucked up shit pre civil rights movement/slavery) and they suffer from it every day today.

When you tell someone they dont have a shot, they dont try to take one.



This is a myth, myths like this create animosity between two groups that up until then were getting along. That is harmful to the end goal of equality.




We have, the civil rights movement got us there. But our generation has had such a failed educational system, that nobody today KNOWS that this happened. They now wander around reading headlines from buzzfeed and huff po and NYT and CNN and think that whatever they read in that poorly written op-ed is true.

They get mad, they fight, they create animosity, they shoot themselves in the foot.

Why? So some media corporations can make profits off advertising. Its sick.



The thing is you have people going, "look at these immigrants, they come to this country, they have no money, they work super hard doing 3 low paying job, just to make ends meet." But what theyre not telling you is theyre living in fucking CALIFORNIA and they have a hosue with like 17 fucking people in it, half of them are kids (aka dreamers) that they have to provide for and on top of that, they SEND MONEY HOME...

OF COURSE you cant get ahead when you have that many dependents lol, but then to say its the system, its institutional racism, its rigged, to say that THAT is the reason? That is just sad, and it enables their bad behavior.

If you want to get ahead in america, you have to work hard of course, but you have to work SMART as well.

Telling people that the system is rigged against them, or that there is institutional racism holding them back, or that men are going to cheat them out of their hard work, doesn't help. It enables the ability for the gap (that we solved with the civil rights movement and woman's rights movement in the 60's and 70's) to grow and grow.

You dont ahve to agree, but lor, i feel like you might be able to at least understand why the cause's on the left are not worth fighting for.

They exist because of boredom because we live in a good society that allowed for our generation to forget their history and want some drama in an otherwise working and unexciting political climate.

They exist to elect politicians and to make the corporations cash so they can dump money onto those same politicians to get rid of things like net neutrality or allow them to build a housing development.

They exist simply, because Americans are dumb.

I think racism and patriarchal abuses were real pre-civil rights movement, but lately I been questioning its severity. How much of this is people being convinced it's a problem BECAUSE THEY'RE TOLD. Or because it's a scapegoat to all their perceived problems? For example, feminism roared to life in the 20th century. Early on, woman couldn't vote for president. When this country was founded, woman couldn't even own property. They were rarely educated beyond grade school. Mom's would tell their daughters to learn homemaking and find a husband. Family farms were very common in those days, meaning people were more focused at home than at careers. This meant daughters who failed to find husbands would still work with the family farm. It was common for daughter to learn how to use a gun because the boys or father weren't always home. Numbers of marriages were high and divorce rate was relatively low compared to modern times. Free education through highschool for both genders became common early to mid 20th century. So by the time woman were educated and being independent was more possible for everyone, it's only 1+1=2 woman would want equality! So really if you're a woman before all these thigns came about, why should you care about it when it's like caring about the price of tea in China?

I'm saying racism and womans rights issues ARE real. I'm not denying that. What I'm getting at is the world in those days wasn't the same as it's now. Priorities were different because what was expected of you was different. When those things changed, it only makes sense woman's rights would become like a tidal wave.

My view changed when I started reading stories about family life in the 19th century. There were woman learning all varieties of skills. It's not like men were beating up woman all day and woman were always victims. Woman weren't just "barefoot and pregnant" either. Not if these're self-respecting people. Picking out the worst of the people is not representative or fair, but it seems common to do these days when discussing the past. I believe people do that now because this world is different and they can't understand the older world. Yes, the modern world is different BECAUSE THERE'S LESS ABUSE OR PREJUDICE, but don't let that exclude anything else that might make them different. This is the flaw in modern perspective. The revulsion to the old world is like an open sore and it prevents objective discussion.

Some people will dismiss me as racist/sexist enabling, but I think this discussion is similar to modern EQ and classic EQ arguments. Most players agree modern EQ is better, but some still prefer the older. I know racism and ignorance and sexism and bigotry existed in the past, but that's not the only thing I see in the past. It's just like modern players who ONLY see grind, corpse runs, no maps, waiting lists, meditation spellbook and other in classic EQ. They--for whatever reason--cannot see past those things. They can't see the whole system. This means they can never fully understand how the old world worked. It will just baffle and disgust them into perpetuity.

That's how I feel. We're rewriting history IMHO by only looking at the bad. It's like condemning a person on a fault rather than judging all of the positives they might have. It's might be the appropriate thing to do morally, but objectively we should be careful we don't condemn eveyr person on Earth.