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Originally Posted by mtb tripper the 2nd
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I think people like you enjoy feeling like they are a part of something important. That you are doing something for the greater good of humanity. I understand. I think it's human nature.
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We're in agreement. If people couldn't get some kind of gratification out of fighting to make the world better I think we'd all go mad and nothing would get any better.
But I have no illusions about my importance: the entirety of my agenda here (and that's if I'm wildly successful, which I doubt I've been) is just to change a few nerds' minds. Obviously that alone won't do jack.
But you can't look at it like that, you have to look at it like, if we're ever going to get to a place where we actually solve these problems, we're going to have to have the support of a wide swath of the population. History has proven as much: you can't get feminist improvements in society just from feminists, or even just from women: men have to believe things need to change too. Ditto for black issues and whites: we'll never make the races in our society equal without the support of (many) white people.
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Originally Posted by mtb tripper the 2nd
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Minorities and women don't want your help, or need your help. I think you are looking at a very narrow gap of human rights in the grand scheme of humanities existence. There will always be people complaining about shit, and there has been since the creation of communal societies. When someone isn't on top they will do whatever they can to get there themselves. Race, gender, they are all scapegoats to compartmentalize and control masses of humans.
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First off, they do want our help. I was specifically recruited to be a Rape Prevention Peer Educator (by an extremely feminist organization) precisely because I was male. Think about how little everyone here listens and believes me
[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] Now imagine how much less you'd believe a woman (that is, if she wasn't trolled off the forum long before page 37). Now this is not to say the very feminist organization believed men were better communicators, it's just that they recognized a basic human fact, that we are all more receptive of ideas that come from people more similar to us.
And yes, it's human nature to complain, and human nature to believe that larger forces are responsible when really it's your own damn fault things are going poorly. I 100% agree. But that doesn't invalidate anything. You can believe humans like to complain, and also believe that some people have less advantages in our society than other people: the two ideas aren't mutually exclusive. The fact that some people blame society for their personal problems does NOT mean that every problem is a personal one or that there are no societal ones.