[Tuljin]

Originally Posted by Fifield [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I would go endure a shitty PoG clear if Tunare's loot was available and not just for said guild. Clearing trash for another guild to kill the boss sounds awful.

Yes it does

Originally Posted by kotton05 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Do we need another casual guild again?. Tunare seems like the one target am/aw would do together. But awakened rather just use CSG.. then knock them out the running for tunare loot after all the time vested is equal to their members.... the diplomacy is low here

Yes it is

Originally Posted by Detoxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Tunare loot isn't rare. She sits there week in and week out waiting to be killed. Also, if Awakened has only seen one Bard weapon thats simply because they chose to not spawn her wit said weapon.

Yes she is

Originally Posted by Phenyo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Awful PR but they wont give a damn either way cause enough people will show up and drink the koolaid thinking they are being done a favor. How gracious of AW to allow casuals attend their raid, pras the benevolence.

My man here "gets" P99

Originally Posted by Daldaen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Either way, if it's not an PBAE Clear I can't imagine it's a raid for anyone cause that's just painful one by one clearing trash that can easily be stunned and blown up.

Even the prolific forum poster and long-time nice guy Daldaen is left scratching his head. Why -don't- they just AoE the zone?

The issue is is that every Velious zone and boss was completely trivial the -second- Velious dropped (and everyone had also done beta raids for over a year as well as had already played the content on other servers)

Growth is the only zone that hasn't been completely trivialized and has a "classic" raid experience - hours of grueling trash clearing as opposed to sitting at zone ent counting your DKP waiting for phats. This makes the "raid" nerds -very- frustrated, hence why nobody goes in the zone and there are so few Tunare lootz (which is actually "classic")

So, who is "mad" here? The players who are calling this for what it is or the guild leadership that has to pull an emergency PR campaign to keep them from looking bad?

Friends, the people who "get mad" on this server are not the nubs who think they are "entitled" to some boss shinies even though they didn't "put in the work." The people on this server who ~actually~ "get mad" are the same people that need to recruit scrubs to help them clear shitty Growth trash saying its so they can "see new content" yet not let them roll on boss loots and instead let them have the Kael-equivalent scraps they wouldn't even loot for their alts as if they're doing them a favor (piss on my leg and tell me its raining)

There are so many Chardok AoE powerleveled toons on this server that they should easily be able to clear the zone without any outside help. If they didn't need the help why would they be asking? They're not letting the rest of the server sit in ToV every week and wait on the durgon piñata and "experience new content."

Open raids are great for the server and do allow players to see raid zones they normally wouldn't see. The issue here is that this absolutely -is- a thinly-veiled attempt at getting ringers to clear raid trash. Everyone calling out this bullshit isn't "wrong."

There will be people that go on this raid and that's fine and wonderful. Personally, I'm not sitting around all day on a Saturday killing millions of HP worth of trash so a nub Awakened officer can get a Tunare drop. Many others feel the same way. Theres enough plvled wizard alts in Awakened with many BiS slots that sit camped all day that they should be able to get their shit together somehow and AoE it (thats way too much work though)

It really is nice that we can share the toys in our little sandbox once in a while but don't let Awakened tell you for one second that they're doing you a favor by letting you come clear trash for them. Id rather make those nerds actually work for their loot for once.