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Originally Posted by loramin
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This is exactly it! Some conservatives seem to think "well disadvantaged group X just stopped being officially disadvantaged by law: they're perfectly equal now!"
Ummm ... for literally hundreds of years men were the providers, and our society/culture was built around that. For the past past 60-odd years feminists have made immense strides towards equality, but to expect something as deeply woven into our culture as "what people write about in men's/women's magazines" to change overnight is just unrealistic. And without that change, women aren't going to ask for raises as often.
Women won't truly get equal pay until they ask for it as often as men, or until the system changes so that asking for a raise isn't part of it. And given how slow social progress is vs. how quickly AI is progressing and taking over more and more parts of business, I think we'll see the latter before we see the former.
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This is the one thing Hillary Clinton said that I remember thinking "I like that woman."
When the BLM crew came in to talk with her and they said "they want to change hearts and minds," Clinton calmly explained to them that was stupid. You don't change hearts in minds with marches and protests. That is for changing laws. Hearts and minds respond to kindness over a long period of time. You won't hate blacks if you live next to them, make some friends with blacks, and don't get robbed hopefully by black people before the first step (it happens).
Protesting is to change laws. Social Justice Movements are being treated like god damn social clubs. They are social clubs these days! But that's highly counter productive in some sense -- because SJM also
create division. It's supposed to be temporary -- to change laws.
Modern Feminism practical impact is to divide people more then bring them together -- without any concrete legal goals that can possibly make any of this worth it. Keep in mind, pro-choice isn't a feminist-only stance....yet whenever I say something like this people bring up feminists protecting abortion rights.
Whatever. That can be completely separated from feminism. Evidenced by how many pro-life feminists there are. Most of this stuff can besides the pay gap.
We are over-using the lens. That's what conservatives do. They pick a lens to see the world through -- and have a hard time taking it off and putting new ones on. But man can they rationalize how that one lens is always right. Liberals have more lenses but know them less well.
Modern feminism is a sanctuary for conservatives. But that word is only used to connotation Republicans in this country...I mean conservative in the traditional since. They want to keep what is old more than progress what is new.