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Originally Posted by maskedmelon
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Just wanna point out that the Jews were slaves too. They went straight from slavery to wandering a desert for 40 years before pulling up their bootstraps and reclaiming their homeland. 600 years later they slew god. They were second class citizens beneath a pagan empire, but outmaneuvered their oppressors to WIN. all it took was a little effort, a fair amount of cunning and a whole lotta DESIRE.
what's your excuse?
#hardworkpays
#nomoreexcuses
#i<3katyperry
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Your argument certainly seems to be "the jews were oppressed, but with some cunning, effort and desire they worked their way into not being opressed". You can claim the post "lacked any serious argument", but I think that's what most reasonable people would take away from it.
It also seems to me I read your post, understood it, and responded by explaining the Jewish history was far more complex then you made it out to be, and in fact the reason for their successful escape from oppression had nothing to do with their cunning or will, and everything to do with the historical accident of Christian law:
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Originally Posted by loramin
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The Jews are a very interesting case, because they're different even from other "model minorities" (eg. Japanese and Korean immigrants). What makes the Jews special is, ironically, laws created by Christians. Christians weren't allowed to lend money, and Jews weren't allowed to own land, so these Christian laws all but forced Jews to go into banking, money-lending, and mercantilism. It turns out that being involved with money while everyone around you isn't is kind of good for accumulating money, and when you apply that over hundreds and hundreds of years you get their out-sized influence (which is not to say that a secret cabal of Jews runs the world, just that on average in many countries a Jew will have more money/influence than the average non-Jewish citizen).
Contrast that with people who literally owned nothing less than 200 years ago, had no such laws benefiting them (ironically, although those laws were meant to hurt the Jews, they wound up being helpful) and I think it becomes a lot clearer how one "former slave group" could be vastly more successful than another former slave group (and that's not even accounting for the wealth of other factors that separate Jews from blacks).
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To which you attack me with:
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Originally Posted by maskedmelon
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This is what I'm talking about ;n; You don't even read the post before responding with unrelated information associated tangentially with one of the words you find most compelling.
You saw "jews," assumed I was making a comparison between contemporary populations and responded with information on that topic. had you read the rest of the post, you would realize it lacked any serious argument. you need to slow down, stop attempting to infer motives and listen to the question. It is evident you know a lot ^^ stop being so eager to simply share what you know and you'll find it will serve you better. or continue to troll ^^
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So we're having a whole conversation about race and disparities, but because your mentioning of the Jews' involvement in the passion of Christ was flippant ("slew God"), and because you threw a hashtag Katy Perry joke at the end I should just ignore the argument in everything else you wrote, which pretty clearly was that the Jews pulled themselves up by their bootstrap, and what ... respond to the Katy Perry hashtag? And because I didn't I'm a troll?
I'm done doing this with you, you're almost as bad as Mick. The posts above speak for themselves: I'll let everyone else decide whether I'm some troll who just spouts out unrelated information or whether I was trying to have an honest discussion and making arguments with supporting information.