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But you want a health-related fact? I mean, your request was completely scatter-shot so I just posted some devastating environmental facts but uh, let's talk heart disease. Let's talk clogged arteries. This happens due to the accumulation of cholesterol. This kind of cholesterol is only contained in the cell-walls of animals. Nowhere else. Humans have no way to metabolize it, so it leeches into our bloodstream and eventually collects in our hearts. It contributes to a condition that kills us MORE THAN ANYTHING ELSE and it only gets in our bodies by consuming animal products. If we are talking nutrition, shouldn't we start by eliminating things that kill us? Not convinced consuming animal products is a driver of heart disease. Well, wanna talk about cancer--the number two killer of our people? I mean, everyone knows the World Health Organization has classified bacon as a carcinogen on the same level as cigarettes, right? Right?
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There are no facts here, so I will simply argue against this paragraph I found from PETA:
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Dr. Caldwell Esselstyn, one of the world’s most respected nutrition experts, has been able to make patients who were suffering from clogged arteries virtually “heart-attack proof” by putting them on healthy vegetarian diets and getting their cholesterol levels down below 150. The average vegan cholesterol level is about 146, while the average vegetarian cholesterol level is 177. And the average meat-eater’s cholesterol level is 194. Another nutritionist, Dr. Charles Attwood, points out just how strange it is that more is not done in light of this information: If people were being run down by trucks at the same rate that they’re dying from heart attacks induced by diets high in meat, eggs, and dairy products, drastic steps would be taken.
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I find all of these correlation studies to be bullshit, but the ones that have been done indicate that 160-240 is the optimum range for total cholesterol. For example, in the
Japan Lipid Study found effectively no difference in mortality between cohorts under 220.
Furthermore, I've read Esselstyn's papers and they are full of shit. He has a complete intervention that includes things like exercise and stopping smoking.
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Anyway, I think it's disingenuous in 2017 to claim the consumption of animal products is in any way part of a healthy lifestyle, either for yourself or the planet.
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You are making tons of unsubstantiated claims and appeals to emotion. I'm posting facts that say you are wrong. Which one of us is being disingenuous again?