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Originally Posted by Hoggen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Are you suggesting roads, bridges, canals, dams, and ports did not exist prior to the formulation of the concept of Socialism? Are you suggesting that any of these require public control of manufacturing to accomplish? Either suggestion is wrong.

The founders hated mobs. They were all for democratic election of representatives, but were against direct votes such as 5 men voting to rape one woman or five hundred thousand voting to enslave two hundred thousand.

Whoa whoa someone's actually talking about Socialism and not braindead conservative's ideals of Socialism. They're two different things.

You can't talk about taxes and the founding fathers guy. There were *some* taxes prior to the civil war, but they were very limited; primarily certain sales taxes and tariffs on imports. I'm not going to argue that there aren't some socialist ideas present in the ethos of U.S. Government, just like I would never argue that it is a true democracy; it isn't a matter of debate, but absolute fact. However, I would argue your supposed notion that the United States was founded on primarily socialist ideals.

If you sincerely think that the foundation of Americanism closer resembles a Marxist ideology than it draws on influences such as Locke, Hobbes or Smith, you're crazy. I think you're taking the simple idea of social contract and perverting it into this modern notion of an all encompassing centralized social government.

Try walking before you take off sprinting big guy.

You got trolled, too.