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Old 09-18-2017, 01:37 PM
Daldaen Daldaen is offline
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Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]
Very nice find Daldaen, thank you!

I'm still a little curious, just because that source is from 2005 (it references the "Dragons of Norath" expansion, which I'd never even heard of, and I played for years after the classic period). As a result, what they refer to as "the old formula" might just be the formula from 2004-2005. In other words, if there was ever a change to the formula in the six year period before that post (not an unreasonable possibility), it may not have shown up in that post ... but there's no way to know as there's no "old old formula" mentioned there.

Still, that was great sleuthing, so maybe I should award half the prize? I totally want to be fair and give the promised reward, but since the above doesn't conclusively show that successes affected skill-ups in 1999-2001 it doesn't feel like it quite meets the criteria.

I'll leave it up to the forum: at the very least I owe Daldaen (or a proxy of his choosing) 2.5k, and if the consensus is that this is conclusive proof and I'm just being nitpicky then Daldaen will win the whole thing.
So some EverQuest history, the DoN expansion was the one to increase the Tradeskill cap from 250->300. Because of this increase, as well as the Stat cap increases made possible by PoP/OoW level increases and AA lines like Planar Power + Innate Enlightenment, the "old" formula did not make sense any longer, and needed to be modified to account for the new skill cap.

Now you can read into this and say "well of course it could've been changed from 2001-2004". Yes, that is within the realm of possibility. But outside of a developer quote in that era (which as far as I'm concerned doesn't exist, I have looked), you will never have definitive proof. Logically, there is little reason to believe they changed the formula in that time period, particularly because of how friendly those calculations are for later expansion stat cap.

In PoP a 65 caster can reach 355 WIS/INT. In OoW a 70 caster can reach 405 WIS/INT. If the formula had been changed in the 2002-2004 period, one would assume it would be changed such that it accounts for these higher WIS/INT values that effectively make the first Check irrelevant as you will always pass it (unless difficulty 4 TS + failure).

I don't care about the Platinum. Charm a skeleton in some newbie zone and feed him the Platinum and let new players crush skeletons trying to find it.
Last edited by Daldaen; 09-18-2017 at 01:50 PM..