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					Originally Posted by  Breaken
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				Here in lies the old debate.  Why does it matter who rolls/wins the loot?  The casual guilds argue that the aren't given the opportunity to see dragons, but then loot is an issue. Well, which is it?  Is it the encounter or the loot?  I've long known it's both, but many won't admit that. 
			
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 Like Cloki already said, its clearly both. 
But far more important thing than loot or experiencing the encounters for atleast many CSG members and all of the CSG leadership is how we treat and respect each others when playing in the same box. That is why CSG has used petition only as last resort when "top dogs" behaviour and attitude has not changed better or has dramatically changed worse towards the others playing in the same box and competing for the same targets. And that is why CSG often does not batphone targets they find up and contested by smaller raid entities. And that is why CSG never kills any targets to sell the loots.
For example I have refused to take CT loots as concede from Aftermath after they trained us first and then killed CT (which would have caused AM to get suspended if they hadn't offered the loots) to get in rule changes instead to make it a bit less easy to break the rules and just concede to avoid suspension when get caught. And getting the people who are leading the guilds responsible for their guilds actions.
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					Originally Posted by  Sirken
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				Removed: All bits dictating what a concession must be, and all bits stating that they must be accepted. 
			
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					Originally Posted by  Sirken
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				Other: Added "Please remember that Guild Leaders and/or officers may be held accountable (with personal account suspensions on any/all of their characters) for any actions of their guild members, in addition to any other actions that may be taken by the Staff. It is therefore the responsibility of the Guild Leadership to ensure that all guild members abide by these (and all server) rules.". This is mostly the same thing from the Server Rules (here:  http://www.project1999.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=132299), but I want to make sure it is seen in both threads, and so players understand this also applies to raid infractions.  
			
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