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Originally Posted by Lune
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Who says suicide has to be caused by an illness? It can be a perfectly logical and ethical choice and, I'd argue, a basic human right. The fact that you equate suicidal with crazy speaks to the perversion of humanist values in our society by religious ones.
I mean, when suicidal ideation or any other non-normative thinking would be cause for a diagnosis of 'mental illness', of course suicide is almost always going to be associated with mental illness. But when you look at it closely it's far more of a value judgment than it is clinical pathology. It's deviant behavior more than disease. And that's suicide I'm talking about, not clinical depression, although they are related.
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You are totally right: there are 100% rational reasons to kill yourself, like "someone has your child and will murder them if you don't", or "you have a painful terminal illness with no cure". But the vast majority of suicides either come from a physical failure in the body, or extreme environmental conditions (eg. being raped) .. or both.