[Jarnauga]

Originally Posted by Lune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Jarn, ignoring all the infowars dogshit, the fact of the matter is, hundreds of thousands of economic migrants poured into Europe in 2016, and hundreds of thousands more are on their way or waiting in Libya right now.

These people are just in search of a better life, but they do not have the same values, education, ethics (not necessarily worse, but different), etc. The countries they come from are largely corrupt, dirty, and primitive. You can blame some of that on neo-Imperialism but you're naive if you think it isn't primarily due to culture, namely issues such as factionalism, lack of respect for the rule of law and due process, orthodox religious piety, lack of entrepreneurial spirit, etc. The people from those countries bring these values with them.

The influx of so many foreigners from countries with lower HDI's will permanently change Europe. Can you honestly say that it will be for the better?

When the Irish, Greeks, and Italians came to the USA, we had similar concerns. But the cultural quirks they brought were minor and they largely integrated within 1 or 2 generations. Sub-saharan Africa, on the other hand, is an entirely alien society, and while they are still motivated by the same human feelings and desires and are therefore relateable, successful government is build on the abstract, and requires that the citizenry have certain values. The Constitution of the United States would not have arisen if we were a Spanish colony. Our founding fathers were culturally influenced by the enlightenment political revolution in anglo Europe, specifically men like Locke and Voltaire who were products of liberal cultures.

i'm not talking about "economic migrants", im talking about refugees, that's completely different. Migrating to france for work is actually pretty hard if you don't already have a contract already in a french company. Refusing someone that wants to emigrate here to find work when there is none is fine by me. Letting people running away from isis and assad drown in the mediterranean by the tens of thousand is not only immoral, it's also illegal according to treaties that we signed ( cf https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Refugee_law ). Why the fuck do you sign that kind of treaties to just ignore when shit actually gets tough ? Are human rights only important when everything is right ? no, they're never been more important than during times of darkness. Call me an idealist if you want.

Now there's different situations in europe. Like France accepted to take in 30,000 refugees, which is honestly low, but the situation is kinda different than in germany for example. Germany is basically losing population right now, so taking in lots of migrants is economically speaking a smart move. Not sure about sweden, i don't know enough about their demography. France has one of the highest natality in europe, second only to ireland i think, so i guess in a pure economical thinking, why would you take in refugees ?

..which is why there should be an actual agreement on who should take refugees. And yes, USA should too, they have a high responsibility as a country on what's happening in the middle east right now. May i also remind everyone here that arab countries already take most of them..

Now i refuse your talk about "culture". By your standards, france should not accept american immigrants because you have a culture of violence with guns etc. Guess what, i don't care if you come to france as long as you respect the Law here. And it should be the same everywhere. You go to any country, whether it be the US, France, israel or north korea, when you go there, you respect the law, period. And yes, i disagree with you on :

The countries they come from are largely corrupt, dirty, and primitive. You can blame some of that on neo-Imperialism but you're naive if you think it isn't primarily due to culture, namely issues such as factionalism, lack of respect for the rule of law and due process, orthodox religious piety, lack of entrepreneurial spirit, etc. The people from those countries bring these values with them.

pfff.. 2017 and you still have to read that.

We can have africans dying for france in the mud of the somme, a black slave rise to napoleon marechal fighting for The Empire, have a black general fighting for free france in world war 2, have some of the greatest french-speaking writers coming from africa.. Have a black woman, who actually was initially fighting for the independance of french guyana, fronting the law for gay marriage in the french assembly, have a minister born in south korea appointed to defend french culture .. Hey we even had a senegalese born minister, she actually tried to run for president at the last election..!

but NO. THEY'RE BLACK. THEY'RE NOT FRENCH. THEY CAN'T BE FRENCH. FRENCH IS WHITE. FRANCE IS NOT FRANCE ANYMORE.. THEY DIRTY PRIMITIVE MONKEYS.

Fuck you. In world war 2, US commandment sent a memo to the french army on how to treat american black people.. that wasn't that far from what i hear again today about refugees, blacks, or muslims.. they rape.. they're a danger to the "white race".. that intimacy between white girls and black male is unwanted (hurr white genocide)..

I have the honour to be born in a country that gifted the world with one idea: that no Man, wherever he is, whatever he believes in, wherever he comes from.. has unalienable and universal rights. I refuse to classify "cultures" or "races" or whatever other word you choose. You think the ideas of Rousseau and Voltaire only applied to white people ? Nope. It applies to Man.

I also want to know how with old colonies sparking a good chunk of africa we didn't collapse with obviously migrants coming from there.. You know that algeria was france 60 years ago ? like, you were an algerian and could take the boat and live in france, etc ? did we collapse ..?

Whatev, i can't believe i'm still reading that kind of stuff in 2017. I'll just go to bed and swiftly quote Aimé Césaire, maybe the greatest black french speaking writer:

“. . . car il n'est point vrai que l'oeuvre de l'homme est finie
que nous n'avons rien à faire au monde
que nous parasitons le monde
qu'il suffit que nous nous mettions au pas du monde
mais l'oeuvre de l'homme vient seulement de commencer
et il reste à l'homme à conquérir toute interdiction immobilisée aux coins de sa ferveur et aucune race ne possède le monopole de la beauté, de l'intelligence, de la force . . .”

". . . For it is not true that the work of man is finished
That we have nothing to do in the world
That we paralyze the world
That it is enough that we should take the step of the world
But the work of man has only just begun
And it remains for the man to conquer any immobilized interdiction at the corners of his fervor, and no race possesses the monopoly of beauty, intelligence, and strength. . . "