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Originally Posted by maskedmelon
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No, you not understanding ^^ Read your post again. It addresses claims of mob ownership. It is very obviously discussing camps (it references named in lguk for example). Raids never claim ownership of spawns. They don't. You know it and I know it. We also all know that as much as players enforced "camps" soe did not recognize them. This is not opinion, it is Reason ^^ I will admit, you had me partially duped back when you posted in server chat because of how you framed the discussion. Kudos on that, but the cat's out now ^^ better luck next time (^。~)v
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Its opinion and illogical. Once again evidence or your just wasting your time posting your opinion.
Heres a post that might interest you:
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You mean its going to hurt my faction with one of the uber guilds that don't invite a single person not in their guild on any function?
The ones that starve everyone else out of the planes?
The ones that took 8 straight dragons before the level 53+ rule had to be put into place?
The ones with the 53 necro camping the entire magi room?
Pnp is used by jerks.
Pnp is needed because of OTHER jerks.
The high level guilds in the game generally turn into self-centered exclusive snobbish clubs who exclude folks from rare spawns, the planes etc.
To players who are only on 3 hours a day, the fact that Uberguild A members are going to exclude you from a planes or dragon run means diddly squate because they know you will never invite them anyway. They also know they have a choice of logging on- walking in and saying, "pnp- let me in rotation" or logging on, wandering around 3 hours, finding everything camped, and then logging out.
PNP is specifically put in to allow casual players some way to enjoy the game in the face of people who log on at 6am and play for 15 hours.
If you weren't camping things for literally 24 hours straight then perhaps these rules wouldn't be needed.
I've never used pnp yet myself- I play about 4-6 hours a day. But if I only had 3 hours a day I would use it regularly. Most of the uber folk are going to burn out and not be playing in another 6 months anyway.
You are so wrapped up in your uberguild world that you have no empathy for what it is like for people who can't play 10 hours per sitting.
Are some folks jerks? Yes.
Should PNP mean they get the NEXT spawn- No.
But PNP should mean- you are here- that means you get next spawn and after that we share. If a third person walks up, then they can sit and wait for the third spawn. It sucks but it isn't really the players fault. Verant is the one who has loaded 1000 person servers to over 2000 people without raising the rate that rare items come into the game.
If previously an item entered the game every 8 hours, you had 5 people competing for it, now you have 10.
But given that they are letting the servers inflate, the only way to make it fair to casual players is to have PNP.
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planes = Raid. Dragon Run = Raid.