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Originally Posted by Dreenk317 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That's the issue as I see it. With few places to set up with a raid force of 20-30 which is common for beginner guilds to bring that many. And when wrangling 20-30 people that don't know plains that well. And you've tracked your window and you know corruptor is going to spawn soon. And then 30 minutes before it pops 3-5 lvl 60's all geared to hell and all knowing the zone and it's pops like the back of there hand are able to move in and set up and pull your mob as it pops because you weren't at spawn so it wasn't camped and tough cookies get gud.

That is frustrating as frustrating gets. Regardless of if it isn't technically against the rules. And I'm not saying this is what happened. But if it were to happen to me, I'd be really upset.

And it seems like these people are saying they would do exactly this kind of behavior.

Fact is that the planes are a beginner raid zone. That's how they were seen in classic on live. And that's how many see them here. ONLY the invention of p99 raid rules and its selection and classification of what is and isn't a raid mob has changed people's views on that, everyone on live on my server called them planes RAIDS for a reason. And the "raid rules" they choose to use allow them to pull dick moves like this.

On live people were soloing the hate minis not long after the revamp. And that group of 30 people can always port up an hour before it's due and set up. There are no rules against logging out in hate, just that it's at your own risk. The new hate minis don't hit hard, dont aoe, and barely do more than what a normal spawn of the same type does. That is not a raid mob it's glorified trash and a rare spawn.

What is wrong with people who know what they are doing using that knowledge for their own benefit? It's wrong for them to want to gear alts because someone who hasn't been on the server as long wants something for themselves? It has always been that way in EQ. There have always been groups that can do with less what your guild needs more for. Shit on the live server I payed on there was one group of 4 people who all botted 2 characters that monopolized zlandicar and dozekar on every spawn with 5-10 toons.

Originally Posted by reevesz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Well last time, our raid force 20-30 personnel was on 2nd floor waiting for the minis to spawn and a few of the Aftermath personnel logged back on (they were camped at Maestro hall) and started sitting on their spawn points. Just want to get some facts if it were to ever become an issue.

More than 3? That would be awesome [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Would love to find out more ways than one in order to prevent all the BS that goes on.

It would seem that they were setting up to pull other spawns since they can only claim the one next to them as their actual camp. People don't log out at the maestro hall, it is in no way safe. There are other places to camp out that are safe when you come back 8+ hours later. If your raid group is up and waiting at a spawn location and they come and try to pull it anyway, that is an easy petition.