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Originally Posted by skarlorn
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bardo_Thodol
The Tibetan history was laid out by a historian in an Introduction to a widely used English version of that book, The Tibetan Book of the Dead. That's about as confirmed as it gets.
So you want to generalize Tibet, Nepal, and Northeast India as one and the same culturally, espouse that the non-existent cohesive culture who lived in this "rough geographical area" were the first people to eat pscilocybin mushrooms and call my point about shamanism pseudo intellectual? Before China conquered Tibet, the people of the Tibetan plateaus shared very little in common other than some common peasant food and love of the Dalai Lama.
We have documentation and evidence of various cultures performing shamanic rituals while using pyschoactive plants like pscilocybin mushrooms, amanita cap mushrooms, peyote (mescaline cacti), and Iowaska root.
Vedic scriptures definitely preach against intoxication, even against the use of marijuana as the inhalation of smoke brings you close to death.
I just don't get how you can get off on saying Brahmanism developed out of Tibet. Or Nepal. Or Northeast India. The Indians created Brahmanism. I'm upset because you're saying that these cultures are the same thing, which they are not.
Please consider reading this before continuing. It's a fair summary of what I learned by reading ancient literature, which is accessible to everyone.
http://www.lhasa-apso.org/articles/g...anhistory.html
Here is an excerpt which proves your theory and conjectures wrong
"In the early seventh century, an emperor named Songzen Gambo reached the militaristic empire's natural limits. Unity among warlords is always tenuous, and the high *altitude Tibetans had no interest in further expansion outward into the lowlands. He began transforming the civilization from feudal militarism to something more peaceful and spiritual, based on the people's cultivated moral outlook. In working on this transformation, Songzen Gambo investigated the major civilizations of outer (from his perspective) Asia, and noted that Universalist (Mahayana) Buddhism provided the cultural backbone of the dynasties of India, the silk route city states of central Asia, and the Tang dynasty of China. So he began a systematic process of cultural adaptation."
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Everything I previously stated occurred, in theory, during 9th Millennium B.C. I don't see the point you are trying to make. The facts you are stating are mostly true, and occur approximately 7000 years after the period of which I am speaking. Seventh century, meaning 700 B.C.? Perhaps you misunderstood what time period I was referring to when I said 9000 B.C. People were mostly nomadic herders in this region, so for all we know they could have migrated 800 miles over a few generations with their herds of cattle, bringing their ideologies with them.
Also:
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ayahuasca is a brew made from banisteriopsis caapi vine and the leaves of various plants containing diemethyltryptamine. It's not orally active without a monoamine oxidase inhibitor.
2. Peyote is not the only mescaline containing cacti.
You do realize that humanity did not start recording history until approximately 4th Millennium B.C. right?
Take it with a grain of salt good sir, it's all theory. This is pre-recorded history I am talking about. 11,000 years ago.
I digress.