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Originally Posted by Hasbinbad
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Your perspective is limited to the point of comedy dude. What you suggest might have worked well in 1956, before This became a litigious society, but in today's world, should a kid put another kid in the hospital, it is likely they will enter the criminal justice system and end up paying for that for a large portion of their life. Not only that, but you forget the fundamental fact that most kids who are bullied are bullied because they are smaller and weaker than the bully or bullies who are attacking them. The only chance a kid like that would have is a weapon, which, as noted above, will probably only get them incarcerated in the real world. I personally was the victim of bullying in grade school, and I ended up doing what you suggest, but I am a big guy, and was able to actually handle myself. I would hate to have been small, and less able to defend myself. ..and before you start blathering about how "if you just hit them hard and fast enough you will make them cry," the bullies i had to deal with were inner city child-thugs, who probably would have shot me had they been just a couple years older.
Violence only begets violence, which only begets grief and suffering for everyone involved. Civilization is one tool that mankind has developed to end senseless violence, and every step we can take to go further down that road is a step in the right direction.
Pacifism wins. Ask the followers of Ghandi, who were so recently a destitute 3rd world shithole, now on the verge of being the world's 3rd or 4th richest and most industrious power. Had any job offers lately?
I'm not saying that people should not defend themselves, but it is completely ludicrous for anyone to say that the powers that be in the relevant systems should not do everything in their power to stop violence - physical, mental, or emotional - from being visited on children by mean and/or older children, and you - and everyone else here doing so - should be fucking ashamed of yourselves. You are horrible people.
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It is funny, because I get the sense that you read only what you wanted to in my post. To say that pacifism wins is completely retarded. One reason Gandhi "won" is because he had
strength in
numbers. Similarly, if you are weaker, you need numbers sometimes to overcome single bullies. To summarize my post as "amerikka fukk yeah" is also retarded. Please try to argue actual points. How did pacifism work for Eastern Europe during their appeasement of Hitler? If people like you were in charge we would all be speaking German right now.
I clearly said in my post that adults need to step in when it gets "really ridiculous". But you must have just missed that. If you think that there should be zero tolerance for any sort of physicality (that is really what you are stabbing at) then you are extremely shortsighted. You really are.
I myself was bullied too, but it never got too bad because I had an older brother (4 year difference) who always beat the shit out of me and I learned how to stand up to bullies. I am telling you my opinion from experience. I WAS small, unlike you at one point and I could still handle myself because at a YOUNG age I understood that the only way to get through to some bullies is through lighting them up. What Casey did was perfect, that is the 10x harder I was talking about. One and done. Granted I grew from 5'4" to 6' between sophomore and junior year and am now about 6'2"... but I learned when I was small to defend myself.
Also, to answer your question, yes, just landed an NRC postdoc in physics been there about 6 months now . Why are you trying to attack the person and not the issues?
Yeah, some circumstances are tough to navigate with bullies, if there really is a possibility of a weapon involved. But one point I was trying to get forth, maybe implied too much, was that the EXTREME protecting of kids, from black eyes, skinned knees, etc. will make kids grow up to be weaker. You say you think people should defend themselves but then go into a Gandhi (that is how it is spelled by the way) rant on pacifism. You do release that Gandhi was not in favor of any sort of violent resistance. Within that philosophy you would let someone beat you until their hands hurt. Also, the "litigious" society is a problem. Gimme 3 million for my McDonald's coffee burn. Have you lived in other countries? Ever lived in Japan, France, Tunisia? I have. People (well maybe not France) laugh at the pansy litigious society we have become.
Aww dang, I can't deal with you anymore. You have some valid points (weapons for example), but your clarity is dwarfed by by your overpowering seething anger. Maybe your clarity should hit your anger back 10x harder? Oh no wait, according to you that would only make things worse. I like your style, but don't rage so much.