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Originally Posted by Daywolf
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No, it really is different. Any indie musician website shows this, I mean where independent musicians go to find recorded loops or even midi files to load into VST's. A punk and metal category are two separate categories. You cant say.. go to the punk category and really build a coherent metal song out of what's available.
When I say technique, I'm really being technical here. Especially where concerning guitars and drums. There is a physical technique between the two styles that sets them apart.
Like for drums, there is a different pattern between them. Metal is like a war drum how it's arranged. You have the charge of the infantry, or the gallop of the cavalry as two examples. Punk more resembles the chaotic clash of a street brawl, or hit and run tactics of a militia.
When you get to guitars, you have metal more representing the clashing of swords and as they bend/arch through the air, or the dance of a fencer. Punk you're bashing someones face with your fist, pummeling them with a brick.
Then tempo isn't really a definer, you can find fast tempo in electric blues. You can turn up tempo, or slow it down - with most any genre and it still wont change the style of the instruments with how they are physically played. But when you get down to how instruments are played, the technique used, the arrangements, you specifically define the genre through the overall style of the song.
And I'm addressing the more established classic sense of these genres, as I know with the rise of the home studio software, the many people now trying their hand at composing, many are building Frankenstein's with them trying to be noticed as different and edgy.
Influences don't mean a whole lot. You'll find a lot of metal bands influenced by classical music like from Mozart to Beethoven. A youtube search will even provide metal versions of classical scores. You see the influence in metal because of the war drum effect, where some classical music patterns on that style as well. Ahh music theory hehe.
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If you're talking about traditional heavy metal vs punk (as in Ramones, The Damned first albums etc.) then sure.
That's where it stops. Street and crust punk bands use metal riffs. Punk drumming is everywhere in metal. Your description only fits "pure" punk and metal.
Respond to the examples I gave. Tell me that Amebix doesn't utilize both metal and punk.
Tell me Crossover thrash, metalcore, grindcore etc. don't use both styles of music.
If the categories include all metal and punk bands you can quite easily create a punk song from the metal section and vice versa.
Is this punk or metal?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=he1tq6hn5oA
Does this remind you of D-beat drumming? It should
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UGTW6eX8ug
Example of sludge metal (starts at 2:00. Listen for about a minute)
https://youtu.be/WLiWgvMEPZ8?t=113
Due to laziness I went to wikipedia. You mentioned drumming:
"A blast beat is a drum beat that originated in hardcore punk and grindcore, and is often associated with extreme metal and more recently black metal and thrash. It is utilised by many different styles of metal."
There you go.