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Old 09-29-2016, 12:06 PM
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Look at the inner-cities that are burning. Family structure has been destroyed. I know it's not the entirety of the problem, but it's the starting point. Fatherless children growing up, no real guidance, no mentoring. In the case of blacks, it's even worse since if the fatherless children do find a mentor; it's government sponsored, black liberation theology churches or inner-city gangs (or all of the above).

And I believe they are actually targeted to be that way, by local, state and federal government. Like one of my fav Reagan quotes "government isn't the solution to the problem, government is the problem" (but not that there should be no govt). They use psychology to manipulate the various groups, it's literally in everything now, even f2p mmo's.

When babies are born, they are born completely sociopathic. It takes us a while to realize that the universe in fact doesn't revolve around us. And it's not just automatic, it takes a good deal of basic wisdom and usually within the first 12 years of development. Wisdom often comes by fire and trial, unless you are fortunate to have someone teach you as best they can. Nothing too complicated that a low IQ cant learn, while high IQ no great advantage.

But not saying that the totality of humanity is pure evil, there is some evil that just must be learned before doing, even of the unthinkable as it were. Just that we are all void, but not soulless. We even have emotional responses by nature, but those responses can eventually be nullified if such acts are committed over and over. Even to the point of a negative response becoming a good response and a desire for it.

I think of humans as like a base code, all the needed code to operate, layers of code (not getting too technical here). just like a program works, but very advanced as in sentient AI (no emphasis on the Artificial, but just to provide the familiar). Everyone is imprinted the same in the beginning much like a template including all the code to basically function. Including firmware to interact with the body, it's a complete system. The brain is basically a CPU and data storage unit, very mechanical. But what we are, at our core, we're data, and everything else in our system (body etc) is there as an environment to develop our data, and much of it programmed from the external throughout our lives.

Now, introduce a virus. Introduce various anti-virus programs. And finally when the system fails (the cpu, the power supply etc), the totality of the data can be transferred. After all, everything in our environment is very possibly digital. A sort of computer running a simulation of sorts.

Now, for um crime and punishment, there just comes a point that they are so corrupt, there is no coming back. I don't think we are born as total psychopaths, but that is simply the cascade effect of an introduced virus to the system. If dealt with early, it can be anti-virused out before damage to the system is done, but at some point it does damage the base code and overwrites ethical reasoning subroutines. Not that a sociopath is ethical, but whatever could have been developed over that becomes fundamentally broken, like a hard drive making "click of death" noises and begins behaving erratic. Either the system is allowed to corrupt and destroy other systems, or it is shut down.


tl;dr we're living in a digital simulation, full of consequences to our own actions.
You never answered my question ^^ If you believe all babies are born with identical disposition and that behavior/personality is 100% environment driven, then you believe that all children with terrible upbringing will necessarily develop terrible tendencies, which we both know to be inaccurate ^^

Unfortunately there is no way to test your premise that all people begin equally destructive directly, but we can indirectly by studying the outcomes of people in different environments and what we see is that while most may appear to conform to your assertion, all do not. I do not dispute he emportance of environment, but the fact that we see different outcomes given he same environment very clearly demands other influences ^^

Also, placing such a great emphasis on the importance of environment does no more for the argument of individual responsibility. You can blame the environment just as easily as you can blame genetics and if you consider all people equally deplorable to begin with individual responsibility becomes entirely unreasonable because you are demanding people. Shave contrary to their nature ^^
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