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Originally Posted by Daywolf
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Faith is just something that can't be seen, or isn't seen, but may be seen. It's like trust. But anyway, show me a quantum particle. Show me the big bang. Show me macro-evolution. Fact is, modern "science" takes lots of faith.
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Try arguing this same point without using the words "faith", "belief", "trust" and any of their synonyms. Replace those words with what you really mean by those words, for instance if by "faith" you mean accepting something as true without verifying it yourself by testing it, then you're right about the layman taking things on "faith" in their scientific beliefs, but not the scientists who do the work and research. If you mean something else by "faith" say specifically what you mean. If you do this, you'll find that there really is no argument that you're making, because one side says they're using "faith" to mean one thing, the other side another thing and it's just a bunch of noise.
If a tree falls in the woods and nobody is there to hear it, does it make a sound? One guy says yes, because it makes sound waves, the other says no because nobody can experience the sound where if both just said what they meant, there'd be no argument at all: If a tree falls in the woods it makes acoustic waves but not auditory experiences, there's no conflicting ideas here.
I lifted this example from lesswrong.com, but if you want to learn more about how the words you use to argue really matter, read the essays on that site, it'll save you a lot of pointless arguing.