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Originally Posted by Nihilist_santa
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You never answered where Islams understanding of Isa comes from. You are saying that the only understanding of Isa comes from Muhammad 600 years after he(Isa) died? Even though his followers were walking and preaching what would be the bible? Also the passage you quoted is very similar to the words of Jesus which speaks to the fact that Muhammad was familiar with these passages. That being the case then how can you say he did not preach pacifism? Turn the other cheek? He who is without sin cast the 1st stone? live by the sword die by the sword(this when Peter tried to defend him from being taken by the Romans)? I am trying to understand how you can believe in Jesus but deny his words because "muh hammad"
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I don't deny the words of Isa. I deny the source you assume are his words. I know he wasn't a pacifist because pacifism aids evil and all Prophets fought for justice and peace which may or may not include war. If you see an innocent person being attacked and you turn the other cheek then you are partially responsible, depending on the situation.
Pacifism is like letting someone bully you every day without doing anything while Christians stand by and let him because they're pacifists too, so they claim. The Messiah, son of Mary, would have stopped the bully if possible and taught you how to defend yourself if you deserve it, God willing.