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Originally Posted by big_ole_jpn
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Care to explain how he isn't a sellout? Your nonsequitur second sentence there sure doesn't.
Only way around acknowledging that he just sold out is admitting that he was a blatant lizardman from the beginning. Without borders or the ability to exercise rational self-interest without being called racist, everything he stood for (increased min wage, gibs on loan at already-inflated cost, social justice) was to the detriment of the union and benefit of the ultra-rich from day one.
Until you're prepared to admit that falling for Bernie's schtick at any point during this campaign was a personal embarrassment, there is a gaping hole in your credibility. Bernie was never an option. You should accept this now and try to be a better person rather than clinging to ego and torturing that narrative.
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Originally Posted by Nihilist_santa
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Total sell out. He whined about the DNC shafting him and how dirty everything was and now he wants everyone to forget that shit. The left is imploding as badly as the right. Wonder if he will send his warchest to Venezuela.
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Originally Posted by Raev
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Bernie is 100% a sellout. He tried to paint himself as anti-corruption (remember the Bernie Transcripts?) and now he is endorsing the #1 high priestess of corruption herself, Hillary. Why? No doubt they promised him all sorts of things under the table.
Lune seems to be backtracking on his Trump vote a bit . . .
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It's really quite straightforward. Basically Bernie wants his policies enacted, or failing that, policies that are as close to his as possible. So his goals are:
1. Get elected.
2. If that fails, make sure Clinton beats Trump.
#2 is Bernie's logical course of action because a Trump presidency is even more adverse to his values than a Clinton presidency. It's also where I disagree with Bernie, precisely because of immigration, racial, and national-culture issues.
For all Trump's dishonest rhetoric (he is as incoherent as Hillary), what policy he has put forward is your run of the mill 'rising tide lifts all boats' 'cut-taxes-on-the-ultra-wealthy' generic fiscal conservatism. And while Clinton is ultimately probably going to offer something close to the same thing, it's going to be further to the left in many areas, closer to where Bernie is (but still very far away)
And no I'm not backtracking on my vote. I'd still vote Bernie in a heartbeat if he were the nominee, and I still despise Trump. It's only the convergence of a lot of different very complicated factors that has resulted in this kind of god-awful reality where the best course of action is to vote for someone like Trump.
The United States had to ally with the Soviet Union to defeat Nazi Germany. That wasn't because the US and USSR were best friends or because the USA was 'selling out' its values... luckily our leaders didn't have such a simplistic mindset. It was because we thought the US/USSR winning the war was a better outcome than Nazis taking over Europe.
And no, uncoupling wealth from political power was Bernie's #1 overarching stance. That's absolutely
not beneficial to the ultra-rich, and it's something he shared with no other candidate.