[maskedmelon]

Raev,

You just need to learn to ask the right questions. He hasn't argued that the programs work or that he even likes them. In fact he's indicated quite the contrary. The two of you are debating different things. You are arguing that what he wants has failed. He is arguing that is not what he wanted. It seems to me you both agree that the programs are shit and ought to be scrapped. The difference is what you each think should be done instead of what we have. Why not ask what he thinks should be done? Right now you are debating phantoms.

Alarti,

Do you have examples of social programs that you think work, or that you would like to see? What do you think needs to be done and how? It seems to m that you would like to see some form of basic income. What about price controls, tax, personal property and social reparations? You've previously indicated a preference for socialism or even communism, but have yet to define those terms as you understand them. Given your unconventional (at least in the us and on these boards) view of left/right, expanding on your views might help.