[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by JurisDictum [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Again I see Raev framing "the government" as some universal force -- where one government is the same as another and there is no difference policy to policy. The United States government doesn't design welfare programs to lift people out of poverty. They believe that it will make people lazy. So they purposefully make sure those that receive assistance are getting the lowest amount they need to sustain their lives. This way pressure is put on everyone to go to the market. It makes it hard to reject shitty work conditions and pay because everyone is desperate.

There are countries that do use welfare to lift people out of poverty -- and they don't see mass amounts of people choosing to permanently "live on the doll. Most people want to work. Especially when the labor laws dictate things like reasonable wage, pay, hours, and due process before getting fired.

A government program is like any human organization -- it can work in accomplishing its goal or it can not. And considering it is not the stated goal of welfare programs in the states is not to left people out of poverty -- you cant even say that the program isn't working. But even if you find programs that don't work like their supposed to -- it simply doesn't prove what people like Raev are trying to imply it does: that all government intervention is doomed to make things worse for everyone.

Ding Ding... we have a winner.