i raided with em on kael right before the fall apart. we got a nice fight against friends and it was a complete dissaster, zero pvp culture and no willing to learn, they kinda settled onto dieing and corpse raiding instead or learning. Targets being called on that fight had no sense, people where not buff ready, not pumices being carried or not many and the general attitude was like, ok, lets fight and die. You cannot survive in here if ur officers think this way.
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