[Blitzers]

Originally Posted by maskedmelon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Blitz, I don't think anyone cares whether "nothingness" exists or not. It exists in the same realm as gods and ghosts: unverifiable and therefore outside the purview of science.

Again, your asserting that my objective is to prove or disprove nothingness, that is NOT my objective as previously stated.

We are free to speculate and philosophize

Yeah, exactly what I have been doin.

We've evidence to support various theories, but ultimately when trying to assess the nature of something so distant in the past, it is statistically moronic to assert with any confidence that something must have happened a certain way. That is why reasonable people do not. As Lune said, we cannot know what preceded the Big Bang, assuming it was indeed a thing.

So because you "deem" it moronic no one else should engage in any attempt the otherwise? I'll be sure to tell Charles Darwin how you feel when I see him. Seriously, How esoteric of you, if you find the discussion beneath your intellect then please move on. No one forced your participation.

Asserting itherwise is akin to the madness of man-made climate change. Our climate data for the past 250 years or so suggest that the earth which has been here for 4,500,000,000 years and which we suspect to undergoes wild climate deviations of periods of thousands of years is most certainly warming due to human activity. 97% of the great minds who devote their lives to substantiating the proposition agree it is the truth. How could they be wrong?

I don't remember forcibly telling anyone they must agree with anything I said or theorized, and I definately did not suggest they be punished for disagreeing. If this conversation is beneath you then fine disengage. I was doing nothing more then try to spark a civil discussion where parties could voice their own positions. Not be pseudo-intellectual assholes.