I want to know because as Humor has said, many of us are philosophizing. I want to know how you came to your conclusions because your entire position (and the VAST majority of this thread) is based on what you believe to be just or unjust. Many people have read the situation and have agreed with your position, others have disagreed. I find it easier to ask one specific person (whom I know has an opinion) instead of asking everyone. When I ask everyone, I rarely get an actual response.
Along those same lines, I tend to use extremes and/or colorful language that may or may not aid in my argument. But I have found that using cold, hard logic almost never results in a response. I have to liven it up a bit so someone will actually bite.
I personally would side with Yendor on this particular topic. Mainly because I believe that a wipe removes your claim to a camp. But I am not all that confident in this position, because I can see how annoying it would be from the chanters perspective. Been there all day, got back to the zone at great expense and in a relatively timely manner only to find the camp taken. But the fact remains that no one forced him to die and give up his claim to the camp, he did that himself.
I come to this because I know that AC is a competitive camp at times, so I cannot expect others NOT to take the camp while I am gone. I was also raised to own up to your mistakes and not run from them. Since the mistake would have been mine (if I had wiped), I must own that and not blame the people who by no fault of their own profited by my mistake. However, I also try to treat people as I would like to be treated, which makes my confidence in my position a bit on the shaky side.
But then again, I know that I cannot be too nice or else everyone would begin to tell me a sob story to take whatever camp I am at, simply because they know I would believe them. And finally, since I am not at all confident in my position, I would refer to the rules as a last resort to give myself some sort of guidance. The rules side with Yendor's position, but they are not the be-all-end-all. But since I was already leaning in that direction, it gives me a bit more confidence in my position.
That is how I worked through the situation (it is not hard to do). I had the advantage of time and space, which gives me a vastly different perspective. So I would like to know how you worked through it at that moment. There may be something in your explanation that will convince me of the error of my ways. Or I could see the flaw in it and point it out to you, hoping that you can see the error and change your mind. Or I could see that we will never see eye-to-eye, for whatever reason, and we can agree to disagree. In any respect, this will put the issue to bed (at least for me) and I can leave you alone, my curiosity being sated.
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