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Originally Posted by Raev
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Basically at the time the R/C system was implemented, there were three classes of guilds: - C (TMO/IB): capable killing targets 24/7 within 5 minutes
- R+ (Taken, BDA, Divinity): capable of killing targets 24/7 within an hourish
- R- (A-Team, Europa, AG, Asgard, etc): capable of killing targets in prime time within an hourish
So obviously each of the groups in R wanted the class to fit them.
The R- guilds thought of R as a way for everyone to experience the raid content without all of the normal insanity (that BDA is whining about in this very thread). Therefore they believed there should be some sort of way for guilds who weren't 24/7 zergs to join the rotation successfully, and proposed a number of mechanisms (dark hours etc).
The R+ guilds thought of R as a training ground for C. They wanted to practice the encounters without chain failing vs TMO/IB and then move up to C, so they were against a rotation in the first place. Oh wait, that's not what happened at all. The R+ guilds just wanted maximum free pixels.
Basically the problem with the R/C system was that Rogean just assumed that successful R guilds would move to C so they could do the C content, but due to the lockout system it was impossible for a successful R guild to get enough Trak teeth to compete in VP (Trakanon being one of the toughest encounters to get right, so the FFA ones were very hard), so there was no carrot to go against IB/TMO (1/9 Trakanons = 3 teeth per month, so 1-2 years to get a reasonable number of keys). |
I'm with you. I think R+ and R- were so far apart that even the middle ground for each seemed unrealistic, and if you take an A-Z scale, neither wanted to start at point C or X to get things moving in a tenable manner. My self introspection comment was that R+ really waited a very long time and put in effort to make it work and very, very little was done to meet in that middle ground in talks. Over a year is pretty damn patient to me. You've seen Taken up close and personal in being in Awakened. They had resources. They had players. You've been in R- in A-Team.
I think there's plenty of blame to go around with all R guilds, and they're still paying the price into Velious for not figuring it out. If the rotation had still existed, I have a hard time believing when things turned into the absurd shitshow we have now that the rotation wouldn't have been reinstated in some form or another.
Taken and Asgard are dead. BDA is gone. CSG and Anonymity are fighting for whatever scraps they can get, somehow losing ground with Awakened now monopolizing golems and VS lately.