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Originally Posted by maskedmelon
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I am specifically referring to the nature of people who are actually not there, whether we as attendees know or do not know that they are not there. If they actually are not there (whether we see them or not, or are even aware of them at all) then they are late.
If we are looking for a specific person and do not see them then I agree, they could be anywhere. Whether we see them or not has no bearing on their lateness if they truly are not there though.
Don't get me wrong, I am not arguing that there is no creator, just that we have no way of knowing. That does not prevent us from inferring things about its nature though if it does exist. I said if it does exist it is malevolent, impotent or apathetic and not both benevolent and omnipotent for a reason. If it we're benevolent why does it allow suffering? It must either be incapable of doing anything or unwilling to do anything or perhaps it has another reason. If it has another reason though and is omnipotent, then why not alter that other reason such that it is no longer a reason? If it is benevolent then it would do so.
While perhaps less inspiring and certainly less promising, the universe is all the more amazing if the product of random chance. Play a lottery or flip a coin, then go take a look at the life around you and what it is capable of. Then go learn of cellular biology, chemistry and physics and quantum mechanics too, and all the processes by which our world is governed. It is mind blowing (as you've already agreed with ^^) Until you attribute it to an omnipotent source. Then it is not so miraculous, not at all. Why so slow, why so inefficient, why at all?
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No, I don't take it that you are arguing "that there is no creator". I'm not sure about the "we" part though, that would also be an unknown. Collectively, sure, but I can't speak of individuals other than of myself.
But like I mentioned, collectively there could be problems. If someone had irrefutable proof, they could become a very dangerous individual. If God parted the sky and showed everyone what's up, that would be the end to civilization as we know it. It's game over and we stop striving, stop maturing, and rely on God to do every little thing for us.
Would you do that to your kids, keep them as kids forever? Or do you let them learn and mature? If you don't give your kids everything they want, they throw tantrums, get mad at you and blame you. Then you gotta try to correct that, or just let them go rotten. Your kids suffer, but it's not entirely a bad thing, and in time they mature and become the better for it. So you can't be there to tie their shoes, button their shirts, brush their teeth, these are things they need to learn to do on their own. Then one day hopefully they appreciate your resistance to doing those things for them well into their adulthood.
Some believe in aliens. That these aliens come from a far off galaxy etc. To do that, they would need to be unbelievably advanced. If so, and they are here, why do they let us suffer? If aliens parted the sky and showed everyone what's up, that would be the end to civilization as we know it. It's game over and we stop striving, stop maturing, and rely on aliens to do every little thing for us.
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I'm not saying what you should believe, this or that, just that questions are good. As humans, it should be a question, that's healthy. I think that is part of the purpose to being human, and spurs growth and maturity. If anything I just advocate the questioning of things. Even questioning questions.