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Originally Posted by YendorLootmonkey
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I apologize... I didn't realize we were all playing "Phragmar's View of What Everquest Should Be Like".
Do not hold my guild or others accountable for your vision of the way things are supposed to be. Who are you to decide what is right and wrong? These things are spelled out objectively in the server ruleset precisely so people aren't held accountable to every Tom, Dick, and Harry's subjective view of right and wrong. The only reason you think something is a douchebag move is because you want to pick and choose which parts of the rule set you want to play by, and which parts you don't, and then paint some evil picture of whoever doesn't pick and choose in the same fashion.
No one's going to leave the server because they were "treated like a dick." They are going to leave the server because they didn't agree with the rule set, or were too oversensitive to handle the rule set being applied in a situation that was not in their favor (i.e. retaining a camp for X number of minutes after you die/wipe.)
Rilen died, for whatever reason, and lost the camp. At the time he was sent to his bind point by whatever killed him, the camp no longer belonged to him. I don't care which way you want to twist it... if you for one second suppose that the camp still belonged to him after he died, then you're saying camps can be reserved for an unspecified amount of time while the player is on CR. Which, if you played Live as you have claimed, you know is totally ridiculous.
Now you come here with your own made-up rules in your head that people should wait X number of minutes for someone to come back to a camp after they failed to keep it and died. Who are you to make up this rule? How am I supposed to know I am being held accountable for it? What is this magical number X number of minutes I must wait before the camp is no longer theirs? And when you see members of my guild not abide by this artificial ruleset, they're the douchebags? They're evil? They're loot-centric?
What about the person making up rules magically protecting someone's claim to a camp while they aren't even in the zone? Because they died. Which are completely different than the established rules set forth by the server admins so that there would be no question about this situation?
I know this is a carebear server, but what you're looking for is a server powered by rainbows and unicorn farts. Sorry the population of P1999 didn't live up to your divine standards. I hope you don't plan to do any raiding any time soon, because you're in for a rude awakening. No, if you wipe on Naggy, the guild breathing down your necks behind you is not going to give you as many attempts as you want until you give up and graciously let them take a turn. This was no different on Live, so it shouldn't be a shocker to you here.
Again, sorry we all disappointed you. I guess that's really all I have to say. And if you need a SoW in EC Tunnel while I'm standing there, I'll still give one to you if you'd like.
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You keep citing the rules as what decides what is or isn't a douche bag thing to do. "These are the rules we agree on and outside of that it's fair game." but that's a pretty crappy way to look at things. There is PLENTY that should NOT be a rule but still makes you a douche bag for doing it. I can make a hypothetical scenario in 20 seconds to show this.
Say you're a class that can cast SoW. A naked lowbie runs up to you and asks if he can have a SoW for his corpse run. You tell him you will SoW him for 10 plat, no less. He informs you that he is naked and on CR and has no plat, furthermore he informs you he just spent all his plat on a piece of banded armor. You're sitting there with GEBs and BS jewelry and encumbered because of the 20k you're carrying as well as having a full mana bar and are doing nothing, but you still refuse to SoW him without receiving 10plat in exchange for it. Is this a douche bag thing to do?
Please, anyone who does not think that's a douche bag thing to do, tell me now so I can stick you on ignore. With that said, there absolutely should NOT be any kind of rule AT ALL against that.