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Originally Posted by Mistle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think you mistake the motivations behind what happened. Now I don't want to open old wounds so CSG members, don't take this the wrong way, I love you guys and cheer when you get mobs. But back then, MC and other small guilds weren't the problem. The problem that the middle guilds had with the situation was the double dipping some guilds were engaging in.

Yes I see this, and it should have been dealt with... but to swing the executioner's axe was a bit extreme. The result was certainly interesting though, rather than share a Class R Trakanon or Sev with ~10 other guilds they started going in rotation to BDA, Taken, (Divinity or CSG), BDA, Taken, (Divinity or CSG)....and on and on. So by axing the rotation BDA and Taken had access to more pixels, and GM enforced no less.

You think that wouldn't happen again in some form? I think it would. People always want "a little more" no matter how much (or how little) they're getting.

If BDA had as evil motivations as you attribute to them, what they would have done instead of absorbing MC (partly) is ally with them instead, and any other small guild that couldn't do a mob on its own, and take some of the loot each time. They could have loaded the rotation that way. This is basically what other guilds were already starting to do.

BDA had enough mouths to feed. I definitely saw ~80 BDA for an R-FFA Trakanon one time and allying with smaller guilds just wouldn't have been viable without flat out saying "we're taking at least half your pixels".

The outcome was never considered the optimal solution. It was probably a mistake to suggest Gorenaire as the gatekeeper mob in the discussions to revamp the rotation as well, in hindsight, as that led to bad feelings from a lot of people including Sirken (but I was not a part of the discussion and maybe there were reasons to do so clearer in private).

That was the biggest bullshit of all. BDA trying to lock out small guilds rather than giving them some room to down some bosses, and now we see them complain about CSG who had to ally to compete on level numbers. It's a BDA creation whether they like it or not.


There is no solution to the current problem without more repops...but we can certainly learn from the greedy tactics guilds of the past implemented.

Overall its funny seeing BDA wanting changes when changes THEY implemented hurt the Kunark raid scene quite immeasurably.