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Originally Posted by Mistle
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No, the real difference is that if casual raiders were given rules that allowed them realistic shots, your guild and the other "A" would fall apart completely within a month, while the casual guilds would keep on keeping on, because they dont define themselves as 'the 4%' like you just did, and as functioning adults are literally aghast that there are really people who do, and what they put up with to be there...
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The rules were always simple in NTOV/all other high end velious content get FTE, don't stall, don't train and wipe each other, no more than 2 trackers, trackers can't get FTE. Anyone can get a realistic shot at a mob, with those rules. Casuals just won't put in the 16 hour window tracking times to get said best loot, against the raiding guilds that would smash them hard. I mean they are willing to track 16 hour windows for all that kunark shit that we all but have abandoned. So, its really not about they window of time, its that they would face and loose time and time again against A/A, completely demoralizing them.
Rules were in some effect made better for casuals by sirken. They get full hour to get their shit together and kill a mob after FTE, no more stalling called on a mob that took all of 1 min too long. Some were made rules made worse for casuals, they now have to have large FTE teams instead of a coth mage and a single puller. But still casuals never bother to show. They have the desire to get BiS items, but have no desire to compete against A/A to get it. They will wine and cry to get more rules made, so that ultimately they wont have to compete for it.
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Originally Posted by Kileras
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a lot of us come from a background of "classic" where 3-5 guilds easily handled NToV in a fair way. The problem is not the zone, the problem is the way you want to approach the zone and applying the mentality that p99 has had through the years to ToV. There is nothing wrong with ToV as a zone, it would be a blast to crawl ToV with CSG/BDA and split paths/clear to different mobs/take turns taking wacks at the bigger names... maybe racing for the bigger mobs? there are ways to make the zone amenable, those ways just don't fit into the min/max mindset of the top 2 guilds.
3 weeks on NToV 1, week on VP for A/A
3 weeks on VP, 1 week on NtoV for CSG/Anonymous/Divinity/BDA
would that honestly be so incredibly horrid? It probably isn't the right situation, but it is a start that REALLY shouldn't bother anyone should it? I don't know, i don't even know why I am really trying to come up with solutions anymore.
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The problem is that you give yourselves mobs for free. Us in A/A much like our NTOV all the time and a bit of VP (-minus stuff bda snags). Why should we give you anything? The players and guilds that came to form A/A, wanted all that BiS loot, forced themselves in there and work hard to stcave into their deay there getting that loot. Why would A/A let anyone just take their shit for free? Neither side certainly gets their shit for free, if you want loot you must work for it.
In no way have you incentivized A/A members to change. Making loot demands, I mean "content demands", isn't the way to go about this.