A lot of truth being dropped in this thread from Raev and Xexbis. Both have been in the middle of this shitty raid scene, except Raev acknowledges how awful it is and just stomaches it, and Xexbis walks away.
There's no path of progression for a guild that can't/won't do what Awakened/Aftermath are doing. There's no incentive for a guild to continue growing and advancing. Anyone coming up through the ranks right now will have to fight CSG and Anon/Div for anything in Kunark and those are seasoned raid forces. The next step is VP, welcome to full sock Aftermath, Awakened, and BDA. Hope you know the snap pull/train strats or you're fucked. Then there's shitty Velious content, more CSG and Anon/Div to contest, then good luck ever seeing ToV or city leaders.
The foot races aren't a solution, sorry.
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