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Originally Posted by Culkasi
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Raid rules don't say its okay to drop a train as long as you warn people - raid rules say you are responsible to make sure your train doesn't destroy someone else. If you can't do that, then don't train, take your time and kill the mobs in another way. The people for whom 2 hrs / mob is unacceptable are those that want to kill 25 mobs every cycle - for the rest of us its very reasonable - heck, we'd be willing to spend an entire Sunday on 1 NToV mob. Food for thought.
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No the rules state this:
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Q11: What about training away trash mobs?
A: This is acceptable, but if you choose to use this tactic, you must keep in mind that you are responsible for your trains/mobs. Meaning if your trainer dies, and the mobs go wipe another guild, that’s still training. When the time comes to purposely drop the train, make sure to communicate and coordinate with any other guilds in the zone.
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If your trainer dies you're responsible for the train. However if your trainer doesn't die, when it comes time to drop the train, you must clearly coordinate that with the zone. At which it is the zones responsibility to take care, however the trainer needs to be clear about where the train is an give ample warning.
Trains in ToV are typically dropped mostly beyond the north door by Awakened because of how our pull works, the counter train brings anything KoS to CoV friendlies back to its proper place in North, impacting no one unless you are sitting in the 4-way of ToV, in which case you are just sitting there to be in a direct pull path and complain about it. There is no real reason to be in the 4-way of ToV for any extended period of time.
Trains in Kael are typically dropped in the EW tunnel and have ample time to give warning to anyone running through to hang out at EW zoneline or duck away near plate house. This is something guilds competing for these targets could improve upon.
I think the issue isn't that trains are needing to be banned, they just need to be controlled better, dropped in better locations and clearly communicated to the rest of the zone when/where they will be dropped.
It is fully possible to ask/require guilds pulling Tormax for example to DA run back through their train and drop it back in KT Area to impact minimal people. Its also possible to ask ToV trainers to drop their trains beyond the north door rather than leave them in West.
This is not Karnor's Castle where a raid mob is being pulled past 2-3 very typical and often filled camps. No guilds hang out in the 4-way in ToV or in the NToV hallways. Very few guilds or groups hang out in the EW Tunnel, or KT Area lately, if they do they can easily move aside for 1-2minutes as a train comes through once every 7 days.