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Originally Posted by DoucLangur [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Respond in kind (shutting down borders, nurturing the hate, scoffing at muslims) and we lose our civilization.

There is no way to prevent what has happened from happening again. It will happen again. The people of the world, no matter what religion, can be kind and welcoming to each other, it will happen again because there are always extremists.

The one thing I know for sure is that it will happen more often if we accept hate against cultures, races, immigrants. If we - no matter what culture - embrace the hate that the populists are advertising every day, then we will drive more people into the arms of the populists, we will encourage more people to hate, we will have more hate-driven violence.

The only way to "win" this, is to refuse to hate.

/Slozem

It's not hate for a culture, it's acknowledgement that not all cultures are equally suited for running a modern, stable, progressive society, and therefore that not all cultural nuances should be tolerated.

"Welcoming" hundreds of thousands of these people into Europe, where they stew in enclaves and parallel societies that become hotbeds of radicalization, and absolutely refuse to leave behind Islamic culture and assimilate, is only going to make things worse.

No amount of tolerance and multiculturalism is going to make this okay. These people are not looking to live in a secular, pluralistic society. They want Sharia; even a large proportion of the "moderate" ones. Rather than adapting to secular systems, they want to replace them with Islamic ones. Think of the USA's religious right x100 who want Christian virtues to dominate some aspects of public and private life.

We may not be able to do anything about the Muslims who are already here, and it will be a long time before they assimilate or sort themselves out. But one thing we can do immediately to put a damper on this shit is stop flooding Europe with harmful cultures., and to try to think of ways to integrate the people who are already here. Allowing them to cloister themselves away in parallel societies is hazardous. It would likely mean busing, reform of municipal zoning laws, affirmative action, deportation of lost causes, educational reform, etc etc. But that's the price you pay for letting them in in the first place.