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Originally Posted by Patriam1066 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You're right about all of this except that he's better than both Sanders and Clinton on day one since he's been a governor and actually has done something in his life.

PS: You talk about Lehman brothers and banks. Sanders adds how much to the national debt? Who benefits from the government financing the debt? Large banks. Who wrote the budget in 2014? Citigroup. Are you following so far?

The national debt isn't a debate about Keynes or Friedman, it's an egregious example of corporate welfare that passes under the radar because:
1. republicans won't give up defense
2. dems won't give up welfare
3. neither will give up social security or medicare

Finally, there is a huge debate over whether a national debt actually matters. Not to bring up Greece or Venezuela, since neither is analogous to the United States government or economy, however, in our corrupt system, which you acknowledge has PACs, interest groups, lobbyists, etc, how much do you imagine that massive amount of money (trillions of dollars) influences our congressmen and women during their campaigns? Lobbyists are paid hundreds of millions every year to keep the budget high so that it will continue to line the coffers of massive banks, which in turn inject themselves into our political system.

Kasich is a shitty candidate, but he's the best this country has right now, and I voted for him on Super Tuesday. He got 4ish% in Texas. Bottom line, find me a Sanders-like candidate who understands that balancing the fucking budget is literally the most important part of eliminating corruption in the US. That will never happen, because this country is composed of idiots who can simultaneously understand Halliburton, the military-industrial complex, how insurance companies taint out healthcare system, but miraculously, through some amazing capacity for cognitive dissonance, CANT FIGURE OUT THAT CITIGROUP WROTE THE 2014 BUDGET PRECISELY TO INCREASE THE NATIONAL DEBT, which, coincidentally I guess to you retards, happens to perpetually guarantee that they HUGE assets on their balance sheets.

Oh, and who gives a fuck, because that government that finances the debt with them... if all of the major banks collapse the international economy, the government has to bail them out because if they didn't, the US federal government literally couldn't pay salaries and God forbid congressmen and senators actually ahve to answer for something. Oh well, add another trillion in debt so that the government can continue the illusion that they have a clue and the rest of us can happily pay our taxes so that Shylock can have another yacht.

I hope this what should've been middle school lesson on macroeconomics and government got through to you socialists who don't understand your ass from your elbow. Class dismissed.

What do you think is going to happen to the national debt when you elect a party-loyal Republican like Kasich who is going to funnel money to defense spending and quite possibly put boots on the ground in Syria? Just how much did our national debt decrease under George "Small-Government Republican" Bush? You tell me to find a Sanders-like candidate who understands the value of balancing the budget, and you offer me an establishment Republican. Guess what, it's not hard to balance a state budget (Ohio) when you don't have things like defense spending, which his party absolutely LOVES. Jerry Brown balanced California's budget, and he's a DEMOCRAT in a state full of democrats, with a legislature run by democrats. And these aren't just any democrats, they are California democrats who fucking love to spend. Things are a lot different as POTUS.

I'm disappointed that you've fallen victim to the rhetoric that just because a candidate is a leftie means he wants to spend the country to death. That's just standard issue Fox News Republican Brand™ marketing meant to manipulate the naive and lazy, and stoke the fires of tribalism. Uprooting the graft and waste inherent in our healthcare system and cutting the bloat would have saved our country billions of dollars, but the insurance companies won, precisely because they managed to convince people like you that anyone actually trying to fix the problem is going to bankrupt us. It's like a Pavlovian response at this point, you're so well trained with the REFORM/SOCIALISM = DEBT SPENDING NO MONEY OMG NO DISCIPLINE RECKLESS HOW WILL U PAY FOR IT conditioning that here you are, vomiting it all back at me. Meanwhile here we are drowning in debt from politicians identical to Kasich. Bush was a moderate too. Bill Clinton balanced the budget.

Sanders was the only one on a crusade to liberate our country and government from Shylock, the only one serious about campaign finance reform (which addresses the root of all these problems, that our politicians represent money, not people.) He had foresight to try and save our economy from the banks when it mattered, and who was so far ahead of the rest of the country when it comes to solving the problems of the 2010's that he has been preaching solutions since the fucking 1990's. It breaks my bleeding heart that this guy spent his life fighting the good fight, only to lose to someone like Hillary Clinton, precisely because of disingenuous arguments like yours.