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Originally Posted by guineapig [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

When was the last time you were on a raid with zero druids, shaman, rangers, bards? When was the last time you needed a run speed buff AFTER being dispelled by these mobs? These targets, once engaged drop really fast

The first part is completely irrelevant, but probably half our raids have no rangers and most have at tops 2 druids, who are usually blasted on mana doing spot heals / SLN etc. Shaman have 5+ other buffs they're constantly casting + debuffing. I still get SoW when i'm dragging bodies because it's actually a material difference in speed then.

As to how often i get dispelled and reclick jboots it's probably 5x during an inny kill dealing with the Gflux/dispell. If i don't, i lose another buff and if that buff is my lev cloak that gets dispelled next, i'm kinda SOL.

Very true, but does not make them a must, just convenient. There is a difference.

I'm pretty sure a huge chunk of the economy is based on convenience to some degree.

Again, when was the last time you were on a raid with zero druids or rangers? I'm pretty sure the druids and rangers have plenty of time and mana to sow you on a raid. That being said my guess is you would use your potion zero times.

I feel like i covered this above, but one less buff that has to be cast on 40 people in sky after every encounter / wear off / succor is time well saved. There are still times sow is important and i'm not discounting the utility of potions completely, but you're acting like jboots server no purpose.

The OP already did the math. Most of your examples of clicking j-boots are times when you actually had sow available which is superior run speed by 20%

Completely disagree 100%. If you were going to say anything at all about being solo then you might have a leg to stand on but your examples actually do more to prove that j-boots are not essential on raids.

I never had j-boots on live or on this server and I have never died on a raid due to not having them.

Probably 80%+ of the time i'm logged in on shiftin i'm raiding. In the last few months i think i could count of how many mobs have been won or lost between DA and IB by literally mere seconds. There is a reason the successful raiding guilds require them and to argue that casted sow or potions are just as effective while admitting they are not quite as efficient or convenient in every circumstance is a massive contradition. If you want to win, you need to have them. That's my definition of essential.

For me, and people like me, jboots are essential. For lots of other people, they are an awesome convenience which can be supplemented by casted or potion sow.