I don't know Smedy. I don't think it's dangerous levels of immersion that lead me to believe it was a multitude of variables that caused the server to be in the current state it is in. The least of all being Empire griefing people off.. Empire is simply a guild that since the beginning recruited a velious size raid force to kill the top velious mobs. Nihilum had by far a much more of a competition killing mentality than Empire ever has.
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