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Originally Posted by Cochonou [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Dude has 2 level 60 shamans but doesn't know that shaman can shrink in dungeons. Keep on impressing me.

try to not troll outside of rnf.. you are a moron, casting shrink is a pain in the ass, I've been rez'd into a train more than a few times and died right after cus of idiots like you not paying attention at the solBent.

Originally Posted by Cochonou [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

More seriously, you can pick up any class and do fine with shamans once 60 with torpor, malo, BoN and Spirit of the howler, but I would recommend you to go troll worshipping innoruuk.

This way, you can have the benefits of the regen (iksar and trolls both have the same regen numbers which is way higher than barbs and ogres). It does make a difference, even when you have torpor. Think of it as an extra fungi tunic.

The 2nd benefit from being a troll is that you can wear plate armor. JBB isn't game breaking, but it sure is handy at times. When leveling with epic, if you can have enough mobs to root / dot to cycle, JBB is useless, but try to kill a single mob with epic dot only and then do it with JBB only. JBB wins hands down in terms of time needed.

The 3rd benefit from worshipping innoruuk is that you will be able to have a clicky snare necklace. It sure isn't the best snare on earth and its duration is limited, but there are many situations where you will want a snare.

The ogre frontal stun immunity is really given too much value by many players but just go to WW and see those non ogres shamans soloing dragons. That should give you good insight on how game breaking (or not) that frontal stun immunity is ...

everything else besides your idiotic quote about thinking I dont know about shrink you agree with so IDK WHAT TO TELL YOU DIPSHIT.

Originally Posted by koros [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Do the math, there's no possible way to achieve higher sustained dps than with a JBB for a shaman. Also you reduce the variance in hp when fighting hard mobs. It's a no brainer.

this guy has no idea what he's talking about, you are not doing the math properly, you do not account for the amount of heal/cani is required for both tanking/dpsing.

and finally, quoting This sessedrix level math because it is glorious and correct:

Originally Posted by brecon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Every 14 ticks you need to refresh your epic, and it costs about 1.5 ticks casting time. Lets consider what you do between epics clicks.

If you chain clicked your JBB you will do 263 damage every 8 seconds...or about 2985 damage in 90 seconds. Assuming zero resists and zero bash interrupts, and assuming you don't cast anything else over this period. If the mob is not a summoner, then you will need to either keep rooting or eat some hits.

Bane costs 425 mana. It does 1648 damage in 42 seconds (7 ticks). So if you cast 2x Bane, you would do more damage than the JBB over those 15 ticks. Bane takes 5 seconds to cast.

To recoup the mana cost from bane (425 mana), you would need to canni 4 six times, taking about 15 seconds. You would then need to topor once (200 mana, 6 seconds) which means 3 more cannis to recoup the mana, taking 6 seconds to cast.

To Recoup:
Spam JBB: ~3000 damage in 1.5 minutes mana neutral, barring interrupts and reroots. No free time.

Bane, Canni dance and Bane: ~3200 damage in 1.5 minutes mana and hp neutral. The total time casting (barring interrupts) is 42 seconds.

Bane + Canni dance gives you almost 48 additional seconds in which you can cast additional buffs (Pox!), canni dance more to rebuff and refresh slow, etc.

Now, IF YOU WANTED, you could use those 42 seconds to cast a few JBBs. But this is why I don't think JBB is a game breaker. Bane + Canni provides more damage with less time and less root breaks than JBB, and give you more time (therefore more flexibility).