[Boggwin Bramblefoot]

Originally Posted by Hauling [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There's far more evidence that dreams exist than god exists. I can't prove to you what I dreamt about last night, at least not with current technology, but if you really want to go through the trouble, it can be proven that I do dream.

Can I show you the exact images that were in my head? Not yet, but I can hook myself up to a machine, record my brainwaves while I sleep, and if I report having a dream, I can study the brainwaves and compare them to scans of times when I slept and did not report a dream. I can do this over and over again in a repeatable, consistent manner, not only for myself but for anyone, and there are people who do this, for large cross-sections of the population and they get consistent results, and they publish them to be reviewed, confirmed or even contested by their peers.

Now, as you've asked, can I prove that I had a dream about a bear eating a pickle? No. I can certainly lie about it, but the door swings both ways on that one. You are free to be as skeptical about my pickle eating bear as you want. Fact is, though, I don't have much incentive to lie about my dreams. Is there anything to be gained from it? Is there anything to be gained by lying about god? Certainly there is, especially back in the days when the idea of a single god came about. Money and power, not to mention all the stuff that gets attached to it when you start to believe your own lies, like an eternal life of happiness with all your friends and family and everyone in history you'd like to hob-nob with and your first dog Tippy.

Further, by this analogy, do I need to prove to you that I also took a piss this morning? Do I also need to prove to you that I am even capable of taking a piss? Or do you think there's enough existing evidence out there that you can infer from that I do indeed piss?

I did not ask if you can prove that you DO dream. I asked if you can prove what the dream was about...and you cannot. Does that mean you did not have that dream? No. Read the post before you reply. And I am not sure what your fascination with peeing is, but No I do not need proof that you "piss". You are trying to twist my concept to make your epeen appear to be bigger, when in reality you just come across as incompetent in your argument against my original question.