[AzzarTheGod]

Originally Posted by Big_Japan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't think you grasp the actual point of surveillance on a global scale, let alone what I'm trying to say. It has little to do with individuals, and everything to do with scientifically refining the media apparatus to get the optimal outcome on the population-scale for those granted access to the data. All the NSA really has at present is vast stores of information; big data science hasn't moved beyond its infancy yet.

"Trying to prevent attacks" is an exceedingly thin justification for the real purpose of the Utah data center. In reality, the only serious mechanism for mass surveillance to improve security is by ensuring greater compliance and contentment with the prevailing social order through the scientific refinement of the psyops and propaganda techniques used to generate that image of society.

As Zuckerberg has said "give me a large enough dataset and I can predict the future". But even this falls short of describing what this power means for the state, who controls enough of the info distribution apparatus that they can use that data to predict and control the future. It's the power of God, granted to sick megalomaniacs, as predicted in pretty much every book of eschatology since humans started thinking about the inevitable outcome of advancing civilization and technology. Our preachers and priests talked about this shit at one time; maybe that's why we've been conditioned to laugh at everything they say, while simultaneously burying ourselves in total ignorance to all but the most superficial aspects of science and naturalism.

Nazis and Soviets had propaganda artists, perhaps of great talent but nonetheless limited to the realm of artistry. Mass psychology and propaganda will become the most revolutionary sciences in human history once we unlock the secrets hidden in the huge troves of data we are accumulating now year-by-year. "Big data" is the future. We're really overdue for a modern 1984/BNW that takes looming technology into account so the average unimaginative pleb can fathom the thousand-foot demon standing over us now. It's the greatest revolution in relations between ruler and serf ever, by far. I can't imagine another technology having larger implications for society until nanomachines and programmable environments.

5 Star post. The P99 forum is unworthy of such insight, but I am sure you already knew that.

If you are anything like me, then exercising your own mind comes first, the post itself is secondary.