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Originally Posted by Garg
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Let me ask you this Ruin, what is the incentive? I've skimmed over a lot of Sanders proposals ect. I have not come across anything that to me, show any reason to want to work hard. Currently that incentive I believe is there. Work hard to achieve bigger and better (even if its simply the idea of such). Where is the incentive to work hard when everything is mandated? How much money you make, how many days off you get, how you're suppose to live your life. I just don't see an incentive to read out and get ahead in this type of environment.
Even in our broken system we have now, I do believe that those who wish to work hard will get out and succeed. When everything is handed to them there is little incentive. This is my biggest problem with welfare in its current state. We seem to be so give give give and ask nothing in return. Thus we don't encourage people to get off of the welfare programs and back into the work force. Heck we come up with new means of welfare to make life even better.
I think we have a major problem with entitlement currently going on in this country. The way we administer welfare only seems to exasperate this problem. Given the way things are currently, I can't understand how adding more welfare type programs will ever make things better.
Frankly I think we'd see a heck of a lot more people succeeding if we cut the welfare. In place of the ungodly amount of money we spend on these types of programs create jobs. It doesn't have to be big jobs, heck even cleaning the parks would be better then nothing. Anything to force people to get off of the couch and into doing something, anything, useful and constructive.
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Now, in your last paragraph you are right on the same page as Bernie. Use the money our government has been giving away to create jobs. The only difference between Bernie's plan and yours is he will give the money that we have been giving to the 1 and 2% by increasing their taxes, taxing speculation trades on wall street (that economists agree are not good for business growth) and cutting payouts to corporations and banks. (which i might add is far more than what the government spends on social programs right now)
If we cut welfare, i think the only thing you'd see is white middle class Americans who have lost there job, pan-handling and posting on craigslist for jobs cleaning houses. A good example of this is the Great depression.
Truthfully if you think there is a problem with entitlement in this country, and republicans have been running our economy for the last 30 years, then you blame democrats, well, your math is just not adding up.
If you give someone money to go to collage, on average they are better off than if you handed them a mop and said go ahead, 'make your own way in life kid, oh if you dont show up at 5am tomorrow morning you're fired.' (keep in mind they already have someone mopping floor anyway, so that job isn't even available.)
This is also a great post to respond to, because again you are reaching towards ideological beliefs and hoping that economic policies will change the way our culture behaves. The truth is, we've spent 50 years doing this and the only change is that its gotten worse.
So if you look at nations where they have solid a government like Germany, Canada, England, Denmark, Australia New Zealand, all kinds of countries, there's a whole bunch, they can help the poor, they can provide security for all, and they have strong economic growth across the board.
Its time we made a change and tried to fix real problems. Its time we started looking at examples of things that have worked, and applying them to our nation, instead of just doing nothing and wishing people would work harder.