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Originally Posted by Troxx
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Maybe ogre stun immunity will be worth it at 60 with torpor, but most shamans will never get there.
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Nah. I'm a 60 troll with torpor. Only times I would be tanking something and might get stunned:
1) drawing aggro on a raid boss. I'm dead in 2 seconds anyway, stun doesn't matter.
2) fighting named mobs. I don't have trouble fighting named mobs if a) they can be slowed b) they aren't casters. A mob getting a lucky bash off that interrupts torpor isn't a big deal because I'll be able to easily cast torpor again in time to heal myself, or switch to Chloroblast and then torpor. If it's a caster I'll either heal through their nukes and dispells and stuns and be fine or I'll die from nukes/stuns.
3) fighting multiple mobs. If by some miracle they are all in front of me and not behind, and they're not slowed, I'm dead anyway unless I have AE slow memmed. This is the one case where maybe I could channel through a bunch of unslowed hits and get AE slow off whereas a bash would make me dead for sure. This almost never comes up though, and I never have AE slow memmed anyways.
4) soloing dragons in WW. If I die from this it's either from a wandering dragon, or from not being able to out heal the DPS of the AE+melee+canni and eventually running oom. Sure a dragon might get off a lucky bash and interrupt torpor but generally I'm going into this fight with enough HP that I start off torpor heals at 70% and if I get interrupted I'll just try again.
Whereas all of the situations above, passive regen helps either a little or a lot. Those long 20 minute soloing dragons in WW fights? Passive regen helps A LOT. Fighting those 1 million hp raid mobs, or buffing an entire raid? Passive regen helps mana regen so you can spend less time torporing yourself and more time cannibalizing. Fighting named mobs? Passive regen helps a little, mostly in recovery time between fights allowing you to engage to the named mob faster before respawns.
This is also why you'll never sell your fungi on your shaman. Even after I get a vindi VP (which is, IMO, best in slot for shaman BP) I will still keep my fungi around for cases where I'm not tanking or taking AE damage. Lvl 60 troll/iksar regen + fungi + regrowth is just a stupid amount of regen.
Still though, I laugh at the premise of this thread, people are going to pick what they like the most and thus this argument will never die. The differences between the benefits of passive regen and stun immunity aren't game breaking, they won't determine whether or not you make it into a raid guild, groups won't care, the only person that really cares is yourself, so just play what you want. Unless you're a necro, in which case pick Iksar you dumb fucker.