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Old 10-19-2015, 04:12 PM
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I think this discussion is about a symptom of the problem and not the problem itself.

The problem is, as I see it:
Q11: What about training away trash mobs?
A: This is acceptable, but if you choose to use this tactic, you must keep in mind that you are responsible for your trains/mobs. Meaning if your trainer dies, and the mobs go wipe another guild, that’s still training. When the time comes to purposely drop the train, make sure to communicate and coordinate with any other guilds in the zone.
There's a rule. It's in place. And it's crystal clear.

What's not happening is enforcement. The the staff is completely, 100pct absent in enforcing the rules that they set out.

Imagine that the real-life traffic enforcement officers quit or were so hamstrung that they couldn't do their jobs - and the roads were mayhem. Accidents everywhere. Unsafe speeds through residential zones. Nothing from the top down and tho most drivers might self-regulate, the roads and streets wouldn't be fit to travel on.

Alunova's proposed solution is just a crutch for lack of enforcement. Sure, speedbumps would slow people down here and there, but it would solve a small bit of a symptom of the problem. Not the problem itself.

I sent this to Sirken the other day and received no reply:
If the only enforcement of raid rules on p99 is going to be self-regulation, those who can self regulate are going to end up regulating themselves off the server...

as it stands, p99 rewards those who don't follow the raid rules and penalizes those who do - that's absurd and not sustainable

The point is, get rid of the rules, or enforce them


I'm not against player-made agreements - in fact, Omni has supported most initiatives. That's not what I'm objecting to here.

Currently, the raid environment rewards those who play loose with the rules and penalizes those who don't. The looser you play, the more shit you'll get to loot. And right now, there's clearly NO limit to what you can do as far as breaking the rules go. If you want pixels for your guild, ignore them completely. There seem to be no consequences currently (apart from those who impose consequences on themselves).

An agreement here would be a crutch. Not a bad thing, but a patch to a small symptom of a much bigger problem. I'm almost to the point at which I'd encourage a Lord-of-the-Flies type shitshow for every target...just to see at what point those who are charged with enforcing the rules (that they wrote) would intervene and put a stop to the nonsense.

And yeah, I'm willing to eat a ban for posting this.
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