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Old 10-16-2015, 03:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Raev [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]
What matters is not Bernie Sanders internal moral compass regarding political corruption but what his policies will do to fix it. Checking his website, his only goal is to overturn 'Citizens United' with a constitutional amendment. I'm sure he'll have no trouble getting that past an army of Wall Street lobbyists. And even if he did, it will do nothing to fix SEC regulators leaving government for cush jobs at Goldman Sachs, or the Clintons handing out favors for companies that hire Bill to give a 1 hour speech for $1.5 million. Meanwhile his expansion of government will give them more power to 'adjust' things in their favor.
I'm not naive enough to believe:

1. That Bernie could even win this election, or

2. That if he did, he could triumph over the establishment and implement his policies

What's important is that his victory would be a source of advocacy, and he has admitted this. People need to realize that, as the electorate, the responsibility for these issues ultimately goes back to them, and the extent to which they are informed.

Furthermore, do you have a better alternative? What are you going to do, elect Clinton, Bush, Trump, or a libertarian? How would that be better? Randian libertarian objectivism a la Alan Greenspan is a large part of what got us into this mess, and it's a philosophy that is still largely embodied by the fiscal right and libertarians.

But then, I guess I can understand how you think libertarianism will solve our problems when you simply refuse to accept the fact that all our advanced peers are doing better than us in nearly every metric of prosperity except aggregate total wealth and military power. Even Alan Greenspan came out and admitted he was wrong for promoting objectivist fiscal policy.

When the person championing a certain economic philosophy for several decades admits it was wrong, how do you still promote it?

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TLDR: you need to stop pushing your value system on other people. Not everyone wants the same things.
It's a thread for discussing our opinions on the issue. I recognize that Bernie isn't going to be elected quite simply because most people either don't agree with him or don't know about him. That doesn't make it any less enjoyable to discuss. Nobody has ever been convinced of anything by rhetoric on the internet unless they are young or are a woman. People can believe what they want.
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