People talk about raiding velious like its only doing TOV, Vindi,Tormax, Statue, a few dragons,and Dain. Most probably never played through it on live. There were very few if any guilds geared the way they are on P99. Most of the guilds weren't even VP keyed(there were tons of guilds on live raiding and experiencing Velious at the same time) but still raided. Basically TMO has started that time period over only difference is the knowledge now of the fights. I am a little more practical in the fact I understand both how difficult it will be on a pvp server and in getting people to learn fights and work together to accomplish successful raids. Empire has had years of working together in some cases vs TMO who is only recently on this server and has basically had a reset and needs to learn to work with cohesion and also obtain gear. We had people upgrading Cured Silk and tattered cloth(or whatever the level 1 skeletons drop) last night. That says something any upgrade is better than none.
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