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Originally Posted by Daldaen
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Then the issue becomes, where can they be pulled? Like... Just before zone in so that a player who zoned in won't get AE'd, but still nearby? Only within their respective wings? Must be fought where they stand?
I definitely agree pulling to zone in disrupts the zone. ESPECIALLY in the case of Kael and Dragon Necropolis, since random groups will be everywhere. ToV I feel you but that's a raid zone and stupid shit is expected in raid zones - see VP for what stupid shit to expect. Plus there won't be random groups hanging around in ToV. If anything they'll be roaming HoT and WToV where no one will really train.
If you don't allow raid mobs to be pulled to zones - that's fine. That certainly doesn't mean there won't be zone disrupting trains. You must be joking if you think people will clear to LTK or CoTH for 10 minutes. They will aggro trash and train it away, if pulling LTK himself is not allowed.
Imagine if VP you were not permitted to pull the dragons much past their room/pathing nodes. Trains would just get created to move aside the trash and the raid will follow behind. I guarantee it.
But... I've said all I can say on this topic. Just expect every guild to petition every other guilds kill spots and trains generated.
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Well in obvious situations, Zlandicar can be fought where he spawns. This avoids that situation in DN. NToV dragons can be fought where they spawn. Will guilds need to clear trash? Yeah, because they can't just train stuff off on top of others. It'll be interesting to see how that sorts itself out though.
I'm not sure I see a situation where pulling any mob that casts an AE to the zone line will be allowed, nor will training/pulling over groups hunting for experience....especially when they would be in the zone before a raid force anyhow.
You could also fight KT/Vindi/Statue/AOW etc. where they spawn, and maybe that's what will ultimately be required. For NToV Dragons and such, you'd have to fight them where they spawn.
In reality it'll all fall under play nice and zone disruption is not 'play nice'. I think people are going to need to think before doing it, or come up with other means of engaging.
If the GMs stick to the policy of progressively harsher sentences for violations, guilds are going to need to think twice about how they go about engaging raid mobs.