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Old 06-13-2015, 01:36 AM
Uteunayr Uteunayr is offline
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I'm testing with dual daggers.

One thing still really confuses me. In the logs where my pet had the 2h Rusty Greatsword, he was "hitting". Not "kicking", not "bashing". He was "slashing" with the sword, but also hitting. In the logs you linked to (which I forgot I posted here):

[Sat Mar 21 13:03:18 2015] Gekab kicks Guard Fentallin for 26 points of damage.

It clearly says "kicks". So... When the pet was using the 2h, how was it "hitting"? Is it possible that it still procs off-hand melee strikes even with a 2 hander?

Anyway, onto testing low weapon delay.

Logs:

Unarmed:

[Sat Jun 13 01:00:29 2015] Xasarab tells you, 'Attacking Guard Hirazen Master.'
[Sat Jun 13 01:00:29 2015] Xasarab hits Guard Hirazen for 24 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:00:29 2015] Xasarab tries to hit Guard Hirazen, but misses!
[Sat Jun 13 01:00:29 2015] Xasarab hits Guard Hirazen for 44 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:00:29 2015] Xasarab tries to kick Guard Hirazen, but misses!
[Sat Jun 13 01:00:32 2015] Xasarab tries to hit Guard Hirazen, but misses!
[Sat Jun 13 01:00:32 2015] Xasarab hits Guard Hirazen for 18 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:00:32 2015] Xasarab hits Guard Hirazen for 35 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:00:32 2015] Xasarab hits Guard Hirazen for 55 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:00:34 2015] Xasarab hits Guard Hirazen for 35 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:00:37 2015] Xasarab hits Guard Hirazen for 44 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:00:37 2015] Xasarab hits Guard Hirazen for 39 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:00:37 2015] Xasarab hits Guard Hirazen for 37 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:00:37 2015] Xasarab tries to hit Guard Hirazen, but misses!
[Sat Jun 13 01:00:37 2015] Xasarab tries to kick Guard Hirazen, but misses!
[Sat Jun 13 01:00:39 2015] Xasarab hits Guard Hirazen for 33 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:00:39 2015] Xasarab hits Guard Hirazen for 14 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:00:41 2015] Xasarab tries to hit Guard Hirazen, but misses!
[Sat Jun 13 01:00:41 2015] Xasarab hits Guard Hirazen for 50 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:00:44 2015] Xasarab hits Guard Hirazen for 55 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:00:44 2015] Xasarab tries to hit Guard Hirazen, but misses!
[Sat Jun 13 01:00:45 2015] Xasarab tries to kick Guard Hirazen, but misses!
[Sat Jun 13 01:00:46 2015] Xasarab hits Guard Hirazen for 14 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:00:46 2015] Xasarab hits Guard Hirazen for 55 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:00:46 2015] Xasarab hits Guard Hirazen for 22 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:00:46 2015] Xasarab hits Guard Hirazen for 55 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:00:48 2015] Xasarab tries to hit Guard Hirazen, but misses!
[Sat Jun 13 01:00:48 2015] Xasarab hits Guard Hirazen for 24 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:00:51 2015] Xasarab hits Guard Hirazen for 55 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:00:51 2015] Xasarab hits Guard Hirazen for 55 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:00:53 2015] Xasarab tries to hit Guard Hirazen, but misses!
[Sat Jun 13 01:00:53 2015] Xasarab tries to hit Guard Hirazen, but misses!
[Sat Jun 13 01:00:53 2015] Xasarab tries to hit Guard Hirazen, but misses!
[Sat Jun 13 01:00:53 2015] Xasarab tries to bash Guard Hirazen, but misses!
[Sat Jun 13 01:00:56 2015] Xasarab tries to hit Guard Hirazen, but misses!
[Sat Jun 13 01:00:56 2015] Xasarab hits Guard Hirazen for 14 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:00:58 2015] Xasarab hits Guard Hirazen for 46 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:00:58 2015] Xasarab hits Guard Hirazen for 44 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:01:00 2015] Xasarab hits Guard Hirazen for 33 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:01:01 2015] Xasarab tries to kick Guard Hirazen, but misses!
[Sat Jun 13 01:01:03 2015] Xasarab tries to hit Guard Hirazen, but misses!
[Sat Jun 13 01:01:03 2015] Xasarab tries to hit Guard Hirazen, but misses!
[Sat Jun 13 01:01:05 2015] Xasarab tries to hit Guard Hirazen, but misses!
[Sat Jun 13 01:01:05 2015] Xasarab tries to hit Guard Hirazen, but misses!
[Sat Jun 13 01:01:05 2015] Xasarab hits Guard Hirazen for 55 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:01:05 2015] Xasarab hits Guard Hirazen for 44 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:01:07 2015] Xasarab hits Guard Hirazen for 55 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:01:07 2015] Xasarab hits Guard Hirazen for 33 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:01:08 2015] Xasarab says 'Sorry, Master..calming down.'

Two Fine Steel Daggers are given:

[Sat Jun 13 01:01:45 2015] Xasarab tells you, 'Attacking Guard Hirazen Master.'
[Sat Jun 13 01:01:46 2015] Xasarab pierces Guard Hirazen for 48 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:01:46 2015] Xasarab pierces Guard Hirazen for 37 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:01:46 2015] Xasarab kicks Guard Hirazen for 24 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:01:48 2015] Xasarab tries to pierce Guard Hirazen, but misses!
[Sat Jun 13 01:01:48 2015] Xasarab pierces Guard Hirazen for 48 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:01:50 2015] Xasarab tries to pierce Guard Hirazen, but misses!
[Sat Jun 13 01:01:50 2015] Xasarab tries to pierce Guard Hirazen, but misses!
[Sat Jun 13 01:01:50 2015] Xasarab tries to pierce Guard Hirazen, but misses!
[Sat Jun 13 01:01:53 2015] Xasarab pierces Guard Hirazen for 50 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:01:53 2015] Xasarab pierces Guard Hirazen for 39 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:01:54 2015] Xasarab kicks Guard Hirazen for 18 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:01:55 2015] Xasarab pierces Guard Hirazen for 14 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:01:57 2015] Xasarab pierces Guard Hirazen for 26 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:01:57 2015] Xasarab pierces Guard Hirazen for 26 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:01:57 2015] Xasarab tries to pierce Guard Hirazen, but misses!
[Sat Jun 13 01:02:00 2015] Xasarab pierces Guard Hirazen for 55 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:02:02 2015] Xasarab tries to kick Guard Hirazen, but misses!
[Sat Jun 13 01:02:02 2015] Xasarab pierces Guard Hirazen for 55 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:02:05 2015] Xasarab pierces Guard Hirazen for 52 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:02:07 2015] Xasarab pierces Guard Hirazen for 55 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:02:07 2015] Xasarab tries to pierce Guard Hirazen, but misses!
[Sat Jun 13 01:02:09 2015] Xasarab tries to pierce Guard Hirazen, but misses!
[Sat Jun 13 01:02:10 2015] Xasarab tries to kick Guard Hirazen, but misses!
[Sat Jun 13 01:02:12 2015] Xasarab pierces Guard Hirazen for 46 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:02:12 2015] Xasarab pierces Guard Hirazen for 37 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:02:14 2015] Xasarab tries to pierce Guard Hirazen, but misses!
[Sat Jun 13 01:02:16 2015] Xasarab pierces Guard Hirazen for 55 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:02:16 2015] Xasarab tries to pierce Guard Hirazen, but misses!
[Sat Jun 13 01:02:16 2015] Xasarab pierces Guard Hirazen for 39 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:02:17 2015] Xasarab kicks Guard Hirazen for 24 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:02:19 2015] Xasarab pierces Guard Hirazen for 14 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:02:21 2015] Xasarab tries to pierce Guard Hirazen, but misses!
[Sat Jun 13 01:02:24 2015] Xasarab pierces Guard Hirazen for 42 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:02:24 2015] Xasarab pierces Guard Hirazen for 55 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:02:25 2015] Xasarab kicks Guard Hirazen for 20 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:02:26 2015] Xasarab tries to pierce Guard Hirazen, but misses!
[Sat Jun 13 01:02:28 2015] Xasarab tries to pierce Guard Hirazen, but misses!
[Sat Jun 13 01:02:31 2015] Xasarab tries to pierce Guard Hirazen, but misses!
[Sat Jun 13 01:02:31 2015] Xasarab pierces Guard Hirazen for 55 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:02:33 2015] Xasarab tries to pierce Guard Hirazen, but misses!
[Sat Jun 13 01:02:33 2015] Xasarab tries to pierce Guard Hirazen, but misses!
[Sat Jun 13 01:02:33 2015] Xasarab kicks Guard Hirazen for 20 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:02:35 2015] Xasarab pierces Guard Hirazen for 55 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:02:35 2015] Xasarab pierces Guard Hirazen for 44 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:02:38 2015] Xasarab pierces Guard Hirazen for 42 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:02:38 2015] Xasarab pierces Guard Hirazen for 55 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:02:38 2015] Guard Hirazen has been slain by Xasarab!

Now that we see the logs, the question is, how do we quantify the speed? Originally, I did it by adding up total attacks attempted, divided by the time. But there was such a wide range of values due to proc chance on double strikes, and dual wield strikes, that it was unusable. Dual daggers showed that it slowed a pet's attack speed, which we know is not the case from my previous post on the subject.

So instead, lets cut out Double Strike procs. Instead of going for attacks per second, lets look at average seconds between unique actions. So, I removed all the kicks and bashes from these logs, and then will go from second to second quantifying the difference between actions. Averaging them together should give us the average weapon delay, unhindered by double strikes, since two attacks in the same second are seen as "one action".

Unarmed Pet (kick/bash removed):

[Sat Jun 13 01:00:29 2015] Xasarab tells you, 'Attacking Guard Hirazen Master.'
[Sat Jun 13 01:00:29 2015] Xasarab hits Guard Hirazen for 24 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:00:29 2015] Xasarab tries to hit Guard Hirazen, but misses!
[Sat Jun 13 01:00:29 2015] Xasarab hits Guard Hirazen for 44 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:00:32 2015] Xasarab tries to hit Guard Hirazen, but misses!
[Sat Jun 13 01:00:32 2015] Xasarab hits Guard Hirazen for 18 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:00:32 2015] Xasarab hits Guard Hirazen for 35 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:00:32 2015] Xasarab hits Guard Hirazen for 55 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:00:34 2015] Xasarab hits Guard Hirazen for 35 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:00:37 2015] Xasarab hits Guard Hirazen for 44 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:00:37 2015] Xasarab hits Guard Hirazen for 39 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:00:37 2015] Xasarab hits Guard Hirazen for 37 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:00:37 2015] Xasarab tries to hit Guard Hirazen, but misses!
[Sat Jun 13 01:00:39 2015] Xasarab hits Guard Hirazen for 33 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:00:39 2015] Xasarab hits Guard Hirazen for 14 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:00:41 2015] Xasarab tries to hit Guard Hirazen, but misses!
[Sat Jun 13 01:00:41 2015] Xasarab hits Guard Hirazen for 50 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:00:44 2015] Xasarab hits Guard Hirazen for 55 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:00:44 2015] Xasarab tries to hit Guard Hirazen, but misses!
[Sat Jun 13 01:00:46 2015] Xasarab hits Guard Hirazen for 14 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:00:46 2015] Xasarab hits Guard Hirazen for 55 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:00:46 2015] Xasarab hits Guard Hirazen for 22 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:00:46 2015] Xasarab hits Guard Hirazen for 55 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:00:48 2015] Xasarab tries to hit Guard Hirazen, but misses!
[Sat Jun 13 01:00:48 2015] Xasarab hits Guard Hirazen for 24 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:00:51 2015] Xasarab hits Guard Hirazen for 55 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:00:51 2015] Xasarab hits Guard Hirazen for 55 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:00:53 2015] Xasarab tries to hit Guard Hirazen, but misses!
[Sat Jun 13 01:00:53 2015] Xasarab tries to hit Guard Hirazen, but misses!
[Sat Jun 13 01:00:53 2015] Xasarab tries to hit Guard Hirazen, but misses!
[Sat Jun 13 01:00:56 2015] Xasarab tries to hit Guard Hirazen, but misses!
[Sat Jun 13 01:00:56 2015] Xasarab hits Guard Hirazen for 14 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:00:58 2015] Xasarab hits Guard Hirazen for 46 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:00:58 2015] Xasarab hits Guard Hirazen for 44 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:01:00 2015] Xasarab hits Guard Hirazen for 33 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:01:03 2015] Xasarab tries to hit Guard Hirazen, but misses!
[Sat Jun 13 01:01:03 2015] Xasarab tries to hit Guard Hirazen, but misses!
[Sat Jun 13 01:01:05 2015] Xasarab tries to hit Guard Hirazen, but misses!
[Sat Jun 13 01:01:05 2015] Xasarab tries to hit Guard Hirazen, but misses!
[Sat Jun 13 01:01:05 2015] Xasarab hits Guard Hirazen for 55 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:01:05 2015] Xasarab hits Guard Hirazen for 44 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:01:07 2015] Xasarab hits Guard Hirazen for 55 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:01:07 2015] Xasarab hits Guard Hirazen for 33 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:01:08 2015] Xasarab says 'Sorry, Master..calming down.'

Second Intervals:
29 - 32 (+3) - 34 (+2) - 37 (+3) - 39 (+2) - 41 (+2) - 44 (+3) - 46 (+2) - 48 (+2) - 51 (+3) - 53 (+2) - 56 (+3) - 58 (+2) - 00 (+2) - 03 (+3) - 05 (+2) - 07 (+2)
This comes out to: 3, 2, 3, 2, 2, 3, 2, 2, 3, 2, 3, 2, 2, 3, 2, 2.
Total: 38 total delay between 16 actions.
Average: 2.375 delay between unique actions.

With 19 delay daggers:

[Sat Jun 13 01:01:45 2015] Xasarab tells you, 'Attacking Guard Hirazen Master.'
[Sat Jun 13 01:01:46 2015] Xasarab pierces Guard Hirazen for 48 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:01:46 2015] Xasarab pierces Guard Hirazen for 37 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:01:48 2015] Xasarab tries to pierce Guard Hirazen, but misses!
[Sat Jun 13 01:01:48 2015] Xasarab pierces Guard Hirazen for 48 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:01:50 2015] Xasarab tries to pierce Guard Hirazen, but misses!
[Sat Jun 13 01:01:50 2015] Xasarab tries to pierce Guard Hirazen, but misses!
[Sat Jun 13 01:01:50 2015] Xasarab tries to pierce Guard Hirazen, but misses!
[Sat Jun 13 01:01:53 2015] Xasarab pierces Guard Hirazen for 50 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:01:53 2015] Xasarab pierces Guard Hirazen for 39 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:01:55 2015] Xasarab pierces Guard Hirazen for 14 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:01:57 2015] Xasarab pierces Guard Hirazen for 26 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:01:57 2015] Xasarab pierces Guard Hirazen for 26 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:01:57 2015] Xasarab tries to pierce Guard Hirazen, but misses!
[Sat Jun 13 01:02:00 2015] Xasarab pierces Guard Hirazen for 55 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:02:02 2015] Xasarab pierces Guard Hirazen for 55 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:02:05 2015] Xasarab pierces Guard Hirazen for 52 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:02:07 2015] Xasarab pierces Guard Hirazen for 55 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:02:07 2015] Xasarab tries to pierce Guard Hirazen, but misses!
[Sat Jun 13 01:02:09 2015] Xasarab tries to pierce Guard Hirazen, but misses!
[Sat Jun 13 01:02:12 2015] Xasarab pierces Guard Hirazen for 46 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:02:12 2015] Xasarab pierces Guard Hirazen for 37 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:02:14 2015] Xasarab tries to pierce Guard Hirazen, but misses!
[Sat Jun 13 01:02:16 2015] Xasarab pierces Guard Hirazen for 55 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:02:16 2015] Xasarab tries to pierce Guard Hirazen, but misses!
[Sat Jun 13 01:02:16 2015] Xasarab pierces Guard Hirazen for 39 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:02:19 2015] Xasarab pierces Guard Hirazen for 14 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:02:21 2015] Xasarab tries to pierce Guard Hirazen, but misses!
[Sat Jun 13 01:02:24 2015] Xasarab pierces Guard Hirazen for 42 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:02:24 2015] Xasarab pierces Guard Hirazen for 55 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:02:26 2015] Xasarab tries to pierce Guard Hirazen, but misses!
[Sat Jun 13 01:02:28 2015] Xasarab tries to pierce Guard Hirazen, but misses!
[Sat Jun 13 01:02:31 2015] Xasarab tries to pierce Guard Hirazen, but misses!
[Sat Jun 13 01:02:31 2015] Xasarab pierces Guard Hirazen for 55 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:02:33 2015] Xasarab tries to pierce Guard Hirazen, but misses!
[Sat Jun 13 01:02:33 2015] Xasarab tries to pierce Guard Hirazen, but misses!
[Sat Jun 13 01:02:35 2015] Xasarab pierces Guard Hirazen for 55 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:02:35 2015] Xasarab pierces Guard Hirazen for 44 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:02:38 2015] Xasarab pierces Guard Hirazen for 42 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:02:38 2015] Xasarab pierces Guard Hirazen for 55 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:02:38 2015] Guard Hirazen has been slain by Xasarab!

Second Intervals:
46 - 48 (+2) - 50 (+2) - 53 (+3) - 55 (+2) - 57 (+2) - 00 (+3) - 02 (+2) - 05 (+3) - 07 (+2) - 09 (+2) - 12 (+3) - 14 (+2) - 16 (+2) - 19 (+3) - 21 (+2) - 24 (+3) - 26 (+2) - 28 (+2) - 31 (+3) - 33 (+2) - 35 (+2) - 38 (+3)
This comes out to: 2, 2, 3, 2, 2, 3, 2, 3, 2, 2, 3, 2, 2, 3, 2, 3, 2, 2, 3, 2, 2, 3.
Total: 52 total delay between 22 actions.
Average: 2.3636 delay between unique actions.

So the difference? 2.375 unarmed vs 2.3636 with dual daggers. A difference of 0.0114. Somehow I feel this difference is so minor that it is insignificant, and completely meaningless. It likely came about because of the fact that the daggers test had 22 actions versus the unarmed having 16, so it was more accurate.

In conclusion, it appears to me that low delay weapons do NOT speed up pet attacks, just as high delay weapons do NOT slow down pet attacks.
Last edited by Uteunayr; 06-13-2015 at 01:45 AM..