Originally Posted by Mistle
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Suggests you want out of the argument and can't find any graceful way to do it.
No suggests that I just posted colored text and not a quote. Why so derp?
Other than the fact Q17 is the very reason Forsaken got bumped. Saying otherwise is just a lie.
Nope Forsaken got bumped because Rogean said so
Yes, a merged Rampage/BDA would almost certainly be considered class C. This was mostly semantic bullshit and therefore I assume you're trying to back off of your "anecdotes" as any kind of supporting evidence, which makes sense considering how easily they were dismissed.
This is a difference of opinion and not a fact. Separate the two for your own well-being"]
The leadership of Forsaken may not be identical to the leadership of old TMO but it is close enough to be considered so. Players leading TMO now leading Forsaken, with no one from outside TMO in a leadership position. It is NOT different leadership.
Not Identical by definitions is Different. You are starting to get very very stupid
No appeal to the masses was made, but obviously your first year philosophy class was insufficient for YOU to realize this. Are you claiming there was no influence of TMO DKP on Forsaken's DKP? This is in direct opposition to what other people in Forsaken have said.
I'm claiming the DKP is different. Not that it would matter that much. Appeal to the masses occurred when you
Appeal to masses.. plain as day>>>>the argument put forward by Rogean and many people here is really straightforward and requires no contortions at all <<<<
Yeah, it was. It was not the argument I made, yet you attacked it. Classical strawman, and another indication that you know how weak your argument is.
Why was it in your statement then? TO distract?
Incomplete and therefore incorrect and doubling down on the strawman.
Yep. Shouldn't have excluded what the point was in order to focus on your strawman, because this is clear evidence of a guild that was considered class C. Reality trumps your theory once more.
Your reality isn't real
Deflection. The reasoning has already been established, since it is the very core of why they were moved to class C. Think I haven't seen someone desperate try to bog down a debate before?
Asking a question for you to clarify your answer is the exact opposite of deflection
It is more the problem you are having accepting that the other side of the argument has any support at all. Shall I go back into the thread for your dismissive replies to people trying to lead you to water? If I do need to bother to spend the time, will you apologize to each and every one of them for doing so if you're just now going to cry "we just all have different opinions man!" Otherwise there doesn't seem to be any point.
Appeal to the masses.. what a few or many people said doesn't matter unless they are correct. Christianity has 1billion+ followers for example.
Strawman. Not what I said at all.
Originally Posted by Alarti0001 View Post
Did Forsaken unfairly dominate Class R? Nope
Forsaken won the race for every mob it went for, could do so with VP geared characters, under a raid leader it had followed for months or years, playing with players who had been playing together at that gear level for just as long. No class R guild can claim all this. Given Forsaken was immediately booted out of class R, your declaration that it did not is simply false.
Read what you write. It seems clear that you are saying my declaration was wrong which is evidenced by Forsaken getting booted out of class R. You are embarrassing yourself now.
Oh there is, and it's pretty clear actually. I'm sorry he can't quite make it clear enough for YOU... it is becoming apparent that is going to be an impossible goal.
Already detailed how to make it clear. Its very obviously not clear which is why there are plenty of people who thought it would have been fine to kill class R
He will do so when that situation comes up, I am sure. This situation, of course, as people who can understand what happened already know, is not that situation, since it's not a completely new guild, as already proven.'
Logical Fallacy claiming higher knowledge without demonstrating evidence
Except they weren't.
Evidence disagrees with you. All leaders of Forsaken are previous leaders of TMO.
Blatantly incorrect
Doesn't need to be clear to me. It's clear to Rogean. I agree with his reasoning. It's pretty solid. Yours isn't. It's based on false claims of "new guilds" and "different leaders".
DING DING DING... and you have given up
No, what happened in reality says clearly it DOES.
So because a punishment happened that means a rule is clear? Have you played on this server before? LMAO
Think I'm wrong? I'm sure you'll get right on that petition to reverse the ruling. Let me know how that goes!
I'm not a Forsaken member I won't be petitioning anything
Seems like all to me, and to Rogean. Sorry.
Logical Fallacy appeal to authority
Your honesty is in doubt. You've been caught lying. If you were honest, you would admit there is a DKP influence and elements of TMO's assets moved over to Forsaken.
how was I lying... you do understnad the definition of lying correct?Your intelligence is in doubt
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