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Originally Posted by Mistle
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Under that logic a guild could claim it is a new guild whenever they drop someone or add someone.
Essentially you are acknowledging that it is a judgement call, and as a situation that obviously doesn't come up very much that's entirely reasonable. I find Rogean's judgement of where the line does NOT stand to be very fair and logical. A set of people almost entirely from a single Class C guild using said Class C's raid leader as leader having at least partial access to said Class C's guild assets and actively engaging said Class C's guildmembers on its raids before switching their tags is a reasonable set of circumstances to declare the guild a class C guild attempting to evade the class restriction system. Simply assuming they got to be class R just because they have a new name reeks of "it is better to ask forgiveness than to ask permission", and the leaks from their forums indicated they knew it was risky and they should have clarified
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That is kind of the point.. the entire ruleset is arbitrary.
However, the guild is more than simply a new name. Its new officers, DKP, guild bank etc. Its similar to when FE split from BDA. FE was composed of primarily BDA members but they were obviously a new entity. Of course class system wasn't installed yet.
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Originally Posted by Mistle
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I find your definitions of where the line should be to be too open to abuse, as indicated by examples given in which you would allow the players of guilds to switch classes on a whim if they just remove the tag first, nothing else mattering.
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Abuse by whom? The point of the new raid rules was to promote server peace in a sense right, to cut down on petitions and staff work and to try to foster a healthy raid environment? You would think the people who "championed" that cause (Class R) would be more inclined to inclusiveness instead of exclusiveness.
I'd gladly take a few mob losses for inclusiveness and to keep suspensions low as much as possible.
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Do you actually believe that the situation that happened and one in which they joined another guild in Class R are that similar?
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Yep.
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If Rampage right now merged in Anonymous, do you think they should be free to go after Class R mobs?
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Yes