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Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No, that's not what I'm saying at all. You're intentionally misinterpreting it for some reason, whether you disagree with the rules or you're playing devil's advocate, or whatever. I don't care. Quit being glib.



You're not allowed to AFK camp, so yes. You have to be at keyboard when it spawns. It would suck if what you describe in your scenario happens, but that's unfortunate luck. Now you know the time of death, though, and you can better plan for the next kill.



That's definitely too long. You would be inconveniencing a lot of people.

Gonna have to kindly disagree with you on this one Samoht. You don't need to engage a mob that you are camping (unless of course the mob is FTE) within seconds of it spawning. I did some digging cause I knew there was a post about this some time back. But you are allowed a couple minutes of leeway before someone can come in and steal your camp. In general, just because a PH spawns you aren't allowed to instantly take it just because the person camping the mob didn't hit it immediately.

From Derubael:

1) In this situation, you should have still held the camp, depending on how long the placeholder was up. Essentially, the person who took your camp needs to message you and let you know he is interested in contesting the camp, at which point you would need to then stay at or near the spawn in order to hold it. Until that happens you are free to roam the zone as long as you keep the placeholders clear.

That being said, if the placeholder was up for an inordinate amount of time, then he would be justified in taking the camp. Keep in mind there is no "camp timer" to determine how long a PH can be up before a camp can be taken. A handful of minutes should be the max (you need to be actively keeping placeholders clear if you're going to claim a camp... set an egg timer or something to remind you when the spawn is coming). We want to be as flexible as possible with the camp-holders themselves, while at the same time being reasonable about what constitutes a "held" spawn. You can't have a placeholder up for 10 minutes yet claim to be holding the camp.

For people wishing to move into a camp, be aware of whether or not the placeholders are up. If you move into a camp and see the placeholders down, it's up to you to ask around and find out who's camping it if you don't see them right away. When the PH spawns it's bad form to immediately engage, and potentially a violation of the camp rules. Let it stay up for a handful of minutes to see if anyone comes and engages. If they don't, the camp would be yours as per the above paragraph. If they do, you need to communicate to them that you are interested in the camp. If you do not clearly communicate you wish to contest the camp, you can't move in if the person walks away after killing the placeholder.

Essentially, the camp rules boils down to this:

A camp is yours regardless of where you are in the zone as long as you keep the placeholders clear, until someone wishes to contest the camp, at which point you must stay at or very near the spawn from that point forward.

As always, if you are camping two spawns and someone wises to take one, you must pick one and give up the other(s). In cases where you are holding more than two spawns and another party wishes to contest two or more spawns, you may pick the one you want most and then split the remaining camps in the best way possible (IE, for multiple spawns - say, a 4 spawn of goblins, each party would take 2. For single spawns, alternate kills - you take one, opposing party takes one, and so on).

2) In this situation you were indeed in the wrong. Once you leave a zone, die, or log out of the camp (/quit) you have forfeited the camp automatically. You must then work to re-claim your camp as per the camp rules outlined in 1).

This may seem slightly complicated, but it's infinitely better than the system we had before. The fact that I can reduce it to 1 sentence is a testament to it's simplicity. It's also incredibly effective and promotes a much more common sense approach to camps and camp disputes in general. Also keep in mind that the "player mediated dispute" feature that is present in the raid scene is also present in every player-level dispute imaginable. We greatly encourage players to work out disputes on their own if possible before /petitioning for a CSR. A player chosen solution is going to be much better than any a CSR will hand down, simply on the merit that it was player mediated.

Hope this clears some things up. Feel free to quote this post/point people to this post in the future to clarify the camp rules.

So essentially this means that if BOTH GMs consider Lucan a camp, then he had a couple of minutes to engage after he spawned.